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community that not just we don't just 

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communities . Uh , and you know , just 

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a personal note that my house is on the 

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members here . So we're all sort of in 

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everyone who's shown continued interest 

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a forum like this . We're now going 

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mayor . Thank you . Thank you , sir . 

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the community . Thank you , Mr 

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Kincaid and Colonel Mastitis and , uh , 

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all of our friends out of cannon . Good 

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echo kernel messages , comments The 

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folks that cannon are truly our 

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partnership and and enjoy a spirit of 

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fact of good neighborhood with with our 

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here in the local community , the 

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people s p F . O . A . Situation is of 

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questions asked and answered and hear 

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presentation after the event and as 

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information about the Air Force's 

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circle of process . It's important to 

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authorities that we're using to address 

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additional information what we're going 

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restoration Project manager for this 

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overview of what we've done 

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investigations to date . And so the 

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first part of that circle of processes 

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the preliminary assessment and what 

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that is is . It's a data mining process 

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where your we go out and we gather data . 

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interviews with personnel , and it's to 

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determine whether these sites on the 

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base have ever had potential releases 

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of this . A triple F here on base . 

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So after doing all of this research and 

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documentation , we have determined that 

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there were sites that needed to move 

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forward through to the site 

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investigation phase . And so we 

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continued on to that process during the 

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site investigation phase . What the 

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purpose of that is is to consider 

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confirm the presence or absence of any 

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contamination . So we're not 

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determining what the plume is , but 

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it's simply determining whether or not 

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there was an actual release . So 

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through this stage of it , it was 

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determined that there was actual 

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releases of a triple F , and after 

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that it was determined that we needed 

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to do an additional expanded site 

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investigation , which took us off base 

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to determine if there was any presence 

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or absence of releases off base . And 

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so through this , there was 25 degrees , 

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discreet water samples that were 

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attained off base and that 25 was 

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determined based on going through the 

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states , um , 

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going through different means by going 

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out to the local community and based on 

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our water pathways and going by the 

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EPA's method of four miles within the 

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borders of our based in determining 

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any drinking water wells 

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determined that there was 25 potential 

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locations and we sampled those . And of 

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those 25 we had three exceed Ince's of 

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the lifetime health advisory to that 

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were below , and then the rest were non 

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detect . And with that , that's going 

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to take us into what response actions 

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that we've done today . And so with 

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that , everyone that we took sampling 

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of was notified of the results and then 

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the ones that exceeded the lifetime 

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health advisory . We provided alternate 

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drinking water to the impacted users , 

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and then we're currently working with 

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them to install point of use filtration 

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system . So that is our long term 

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solution for alternate drinking water 

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is the filtration systems . Now The Air 

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Force wide back to looking at different 

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firefighting mechanisms have replaced 

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the old C eight , a triple F legacy 

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fire suppression for firefighting foam 

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throughout all firefighting suppression 

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systems and their firefighting trucks . 

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And in the heck hangars , this is a 

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more environmentally friendly with the 

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it's a smaller C six carbon chain 

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versus the longer C eight carbon change 

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that they have . The other thing that 

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they've done is change their training 

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exercise where they have gone to not 

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using a triple F and using only a 

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travel club for real world scenarios . 

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And with that , when it is used for 

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aware world scenario , they make sure 

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that they containerized it and dispose 

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of it in accordance with proper 

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regulations . 

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So now I want to take us to where we're 

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at currently . So we've completed the 

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preliminary assessment . We've gone 

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through the site investigation and now 

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we've moved forward to the remedial 

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investigation and this is the point in 

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the investigation . We're going to go 

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out there and determine what that 

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nature and extent , and this is where 

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most people talk about what the plan is 

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and where it's migrating , and so this 

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is a critical step in the process 

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towards that long term solution . So 

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there's going to be a significant 

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amount of effort going into this where 

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we will be going on base and off base 

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and installing both ground well . 

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Monitoring will be doing additional 

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samplings , soul boring groundwater 

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sampling . The 

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initial portion of this will be about 

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70% of the work will be done upfront , 

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with an additional 30% held back 

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afterwards , and the reason for this is 

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is as we're going determine that nature 

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and extent we want to have the ability 

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to do these step out sampling . So that 

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way we can fully capture and determine 

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what this nature and extent of the 

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impact is both on and off base . 

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Now , with that , the first portion of 

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the remedial investigation is 

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development of a comprehensive work 

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plan . And before any work can be 

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completed , it must be the work plan 

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must be completed and approved . Now , 

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with this , tentatively , we're looking 

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at September 21st for it to be 

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completed and approved . We're working 

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expeditiously to try to advance this as 

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quickly as possible to maybe get this 

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done sooner . But right now , this is 

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the tentative work schedule that is 

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been put in place . After that , we 

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will go to boots on the ground so we'll 

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have our contractors coming out and 

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starting the actual work . And this is 

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the point here where we need to support 

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and the help of the community as a 

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whole , because this is where we will 

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be going out and potentially coming in 

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and needing access to private 

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properties or some of the local 

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businesses in order to take some 

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samples or potential , um , 

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installation of groundwater monitoring 

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wells . Now , that being said , they're 

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not going to be placed in some place 

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that would disturb your process . We 

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will be able to work with you on that . 

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But having your support and getting 

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access agreement signed will be a 

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tremendous help in pushing this process 

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forward . So that way we can determine 

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this because as we're gathering this 

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data throughout this process , this is 

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the information that's going to help us 

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look at . If there is any potential and 

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are measures that could be put in place 

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and then ultimately down the road , as 

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there are promulgated standards come 

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out . And as we gather and know what 

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this full plume looks like , this will 

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go into what the remediation efforts 

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that we can put in place to address 

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these concerns . 

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And as we go through this process , 

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this is the point of these quarterly 

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meetings . Each quarterly meeting , 

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I'll be giving an update as to where 

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we're at in this process , what 

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information that we have and giving 

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this information out . So that way I 

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can keep the public updated because 

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again , I'm a member of the community 

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here . I live here my family's here and 

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friends . So I've I've invested 

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interest to push this project and make 

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sure that we get good data and develop 

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a good working plan to move forward on 

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this . Okay , so with that , 

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you know , as I was talking about the 

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preliminary assessment , the site 

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assessment and all of these different 

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things , I only gave a brief overview . 

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But if you would like any additional 

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information on it , you can go out to 

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the aft deck administrative record . 

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The website is here . When you go out 

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there , it will ask you to continue to 

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cite . You'll click on that you're on 

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the left hand side , you will go down 

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and slept Cannon Air Force Base . And 

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at that point , you can enter any of 

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these administrative record numbers 

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into it , and it'll pull up the full 

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documents that you can review at your 

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leisure . And then , as Mark said , 

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also , we have the AFC Excite here that 

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has additional information regarding 

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the faucet people . Mhm . Now , with 

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that going forward again , we're going 

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to continue to communicate and bring 

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progress reports to you as we're going 

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through this remedial investigation . 

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That's what the point of these meetings 

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are going forward is to open 

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communications with the public and make 

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sure that we have both question and 

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answer sessions and we give you the 

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information that you need . And again , 

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with that whole government approach , 

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it's going to be bringing in other 

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entities . So that way we can get the 

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correct experts and here that will be 

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able to answer the questions that you 

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may have and for us we're going to 

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continue to follow this circle process . 

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It is the process that we have by which 

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we can address these concerns in 

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progress forward for this investigation , 

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we're going to continue to aggressively 

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collect data and respond to standards 

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as they are developed now the 

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last thing I would like to touch on is 

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the Restoration Advisory Board . Now 

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this is separate from these meetings , 

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but I wanted to just take a chance to 

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tell everybody about it . We currently 

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have a ongoing solicitation of interest . 

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It started on February 17th . Now the 

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Restoration Advisory Board is aboard 

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that covers all environmental 

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restoration activities . It's not 

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specific to one , um , certain area or 

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one site or one topic . It covers 

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everything , but if you have any other 

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questions or comments and concerns . 

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You can email this address that's right 

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here or additional information . 

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There's the rap handbook and some 

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common facts about it that can be found 

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at this Web address right here . The 

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comment period is 45 days going from 

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February 17 through April 3rd . 

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And so with that , I will turn it over 

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to Mr Mark Kincaid . 

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Thank you , Chris . As we said earlier , 

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we're going to now turn to our 

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questions , and we're going to begin 

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with the questions that we may have 

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captured on the chat function . So I 

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will turn it over to Misty or Captain 

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Chado . Do we have any questions out 

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there 

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at this time ? No , sir , but we can 

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definitely open it up to individual 

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users to ask verbally . Great . That 

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sounds good . So , folks , if you have 

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a question , please feel free to come 

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up on Mike and just let us know what 

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your question is . And remember to go 

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back on mute afterwards . 

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Hello ? This is Constance Williams with 

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Senator Benry , Luann's office . I just 

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had one question with regards to the 

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RAB . How many environmental 

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restoration issues have you already 

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identified ? 

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Mhm . Yeah . Can you clarify that a 

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little bit ? I mean , yes , sir . 

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Essentially , how many ? Um , of the 

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restoration . Uh , issues on Cannon Air 

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Force Base have already been identified 

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in addition to P Fost and Piccola . Um , 

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for , you know , with regards to the 

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how much activity like the restoration 

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advisory Board participants might be 

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looking at , is it Are there , You know , 

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three issues are that have already been 

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identified or just p focus is the main 

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one , or , you know , have you already 

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pre identified issues ? Well , with 

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regards to that , we have an extensive 

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amount of sites that are currently on 

552
00:23:02,910 --> 00:23:06,120
our require a permit . Um , they have a 

553
00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:08,009
wide range now . None of them are 

554
00:23:08,009 --> 00:23:10,770
currently impacting the ground water , 

555
00:23:11,140 --> 00:23:14,470
but they're just there is . It is a 

556
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:16,470
wide portfolio . There are a lot of 

557
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:18,581
legacy sites that we currently manage 

558
00:23:18,581 --> 00:23:22,480
and oversee . Um , right now , the and 

559
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,480
that's why we kind of started these 

560
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,480
meetings is because we believe that 

561
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,610
this is the most targeted method . In 

562
00:23:28,610 --> 00:23:31,400
order to get the information that the 

563
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,511
public is wanting , we've heard the , 

564
00:23:33,511 --> 00:23:37,490
um , the request for more p Foss people 

565
00:23:37,490 --> 00:23:41,370
information . And in order to address 

566
00:23:41,370 --> 00:23:43,450
that , we feel that these meetings 

567
00:23:43,450 --> 00:23:45,450
right here were the best way to get 

568
00:23:45,450 --> 00:23:47,550
that for them . And so that's why we 

569
00:23:47,550 --> 00:23:50,330
started this . Now , you know , with 

570
00:23:50,330 --> 00:23:53,370
the rap solicitation where we have an 

571
00:23:53,370 --> 00:23:56,170
ongoing so as people , if they have any 

572
00:23:56,170 --> 00:23:58,470
interest in it , they can solicit or 

573
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,647
email in that , and we'll look at it . 

574
00:24:00,647 --> 00:24:02,813
And because if there is an interest in 

575
00:24:02,813 --> 00:24:04,924
the entire restoration portfolio , by 

576
00:24:04,924 --> 00:24:07,091
all means , we would be willing to set 

577
00:24:07,091 --> 00:24:09,147
that restoration by Emery board up . 

578
00:24:12,740 --> 00:24:13,962
Thank you very much . 

579
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,170
Uh huh . This is Walter Bradley . 

580
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,260
May I ask the question ? 

581
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,460
Yes , sir . Yes , sir . Go right in . 

582
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,090
Thank you . Uh , I currently represent 

583
00:24:31,090 --> 00:24:33,201
the Dairy Farmers of America and were 

584
00:24:33,201 --> 00:24:35,020
vitally concerned due to the 

585
00:24:35,030 --> 00:24:38,600
contamination of one of our dairies and 

586
00:24:38,610 --> 00:24:41,800
and the surrounding agriculture crop , 

587
00:24:41,810 --> 00:24:44,580
uh , fields that are adjacent to a 

588
00:24:44,590 --> 00:24:47,150
cannon Air Force base . Our number one 

589
00:24:47,150 --> 00:24:50,220
concern right now . And Mr Marketing , 

590
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:52,341
if you can answer it would be great . 

591
00:24:52,740 --> 00:24:55,930
We're very concerned about the flow of 

592
00:24:55,930 --> 00:24:59,350
this bloom and the speed because down 

593
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,480
stream of what we believe is the flow . 

594
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,040
We have a number of other dairies and a 

595
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,510
number of businesses that are very 

596
00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:12,030
concerned about how this may flow and 

597
00:25:12,030 --> 00:25:15,160
how quick it might be hitting it . So 

598
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,630
do you have an idea in your plan as to 

599
00:25:19,630 --> 00:25:21,574
when we would ? It seems like that 

600
00:25:21,574 --> 00:25:23,741
would be one of the first things you'd 

601
00:25:23,741 --> 00:25:25,463
want to find out . Uh , is the 

602
00:25:25,463 --> 00:25:27,300
investigation of that survey to 

603
00:25:27,300 --> 00:25:29,670
identify that flow and speed ? 

604
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,580
Well , thank you for your question 

605
00:25:34,580 --> 00:25:36,691
there , sir . And that is part of the 

606
00:25:36,691 --> 00:25:38,413
remedial investigation process 

607
00:25:38,413 --> 00:25:40,469
following that circle of framework . 

608
00:25:40,469 --> 00:25:42,636
And so that is going to be part of the 

609
00:25:42,636 --> 00:25:44,960
investigation is to determine what that 

610
00:25:44,970 --> 00:25:47,270
what that plume looks like and 

611
00:25:47,270 --> 00:25:49,760
determine what that flow rate is . So 

612
00:25:49,770 --> 00:25:51,937
as we get that data , that's something 

613
00:25:51,937 --> 00:25:54,103
that I'll be able to share with you in 

614
00:25:54,103 --> 00:25:56,280
these meetings . Um , like I said , it 

615
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,790
should be October of 21 . So later this 

616
00:25:58,790 --> 00:26:00,901
year , they'll actually have boots on 

617
00:26:00,901 --> 00:26:02,901
the ground , and we'll start taking 

618
00:26:02,901 --> 00:26:04,957
samples , and we'll be able to start 

619
00:26:04,957 --> 00:26:06,957
getting better picture of what that 

620
00:26:06,957 --> 00:26:09,750
looks like . Uh huh . 

621
00:26:13,940 --> 00:26:17,720
So , October of 21 is a target 

622
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,310
date for you to start that 

623
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,542
investigation . Is that correct , sir ? 

624
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,860
Yes , sir . Okay . All right . Thank 

625
00:26:27,860 --> 00:26:30,270
you , sir . Yeah , 

626
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,840
well , Mr Gorky we have a question 

627
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,590
in the chat room . Besides the real 

628
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:43,701
world scenarios , you mentioned where 

629
00:26:43,701 --> 00:26:46,370
the foam is used or was used . Please 

630
00:26:46,370 --> 00:26:49,330
name all the other reasons P four and P 

631
00:26:49,330 --> 00:26:51,441
poem may have been used in the past . 

632
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,760
No . Yeah , 

633
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,350
yeah . Hey , Chris , this is Mark . Um , 

634
00:27:04,740 --> 00:27:06,950
I think if I read the question , if I 

635
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:09,410
hear the question right , are you 

636
00:27:09,410 --> 00:27:11,800
asking about the use of pitfalls people 

637
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,620
by the Air Force or are you asking 

638
00:27:14,620 --> 00:27:17,230
about for chlorinated compounds In 

639
00:27:17,230 --> 00:27:19,508
general , the Air Force , The pitfalls . 

640
00:27:19,508 --> 00:27:22,080
People were components of a triple F 

641
00:27:22,090 --> 00:27:24,840
block with film forming foam . Uh , and 

642
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,330
it was used in Oculus film forming foam . 

643
00:27:27,330 --> 00:27:29,441
That's the only use that I'm aware of 

644
00:27:29,441 --> 00:27:32,270
that we had for it . But fluoridated 

645
00:27:32,270 --> 00:27:36,080
compounds PFS are common in a 

646
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,490
lot of products . Commercial products 

647
00:27:38,940 --> 00:27:41,850
as well as industrial products . And so 

648
00:27:41,850 --> 00:27:44,890
forth is the extensive use . Chris , do 

649
00:27:44,890 --> 00:27:47,112
you have anything to add to that a mile 

650
00:27:47,112 --> 00:27:48,501
track with that answer ? 

651
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,030
Yeah . The individual asking the 

652
00:27:58,030 --> 00:27:59,474
question just wanted more 

653
00:27:59,474 --> 00:28:01,586
clarifications on other reasons as to 

654
00:28:01,586 --> 00:28:03,697
why the Air Force would have used the 

655
00:28:03,697 --> 00:28:06,810
Foss phone . Yeah , so again , it was 

656
00:28:06,820 --> 00:28:09,820
it was the foam uh , so obvious film 

657
00:28:09,820 --> 00:28:11,709
forming foam that had chlorinated 

658
00:28:11,709 --> 00:28:13,653
compounds in it is extraordinarily 

659
00:28:13,653 --> 00:28:15,890
efficient . It was also approved . It 

660
00:28:15,890 --> 00:28:18,310
hasn't approved mills back . So all of 

661
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:20,670
the services used at the FAA used it . 

662
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,660
Um , it is very efficient . Very 

663
00:28:24,660 --> 00:28:26,890
effective at controlling petroleum 

664
00:28:26,890 --> 00:28:29,840
based fires . Number one priority is to 

665
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,951
save lives . So if we had an aircraft 

666
00:28:31,951 --> 00:28:35,750
accident or an incident , uh , the 

667
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,040
foam is very responsive , very 

668
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,640
effective , and were able to prevent 

669
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,970
loss of life That also helps minimize 

670
00:28:42,970 --> 00:28:46,490
damage again . It met mil specs that 

671
00:28:46,490 --> 00:28:48,601
were established by the Department of 

672
00:28:48,601 --> 00:28:52,560
Defense and was in the d o d inventory 

673
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,510
since the 19 seventies . I hope that 

674
00:28:56,510 --> 00:28:58,510
answered the question . If you need 

675
00:28:58,510 --> 00:29:00,621
further clarification , let us know . 

676
00:29:02,740 --> 00:29:04,740
Mr . Kincaid . Mr . Jerky , we have 

677
00:29:04,740 --> 00:29:06,851
another question from the chat . Um , 

678
00:29:06,851 --> 00:29:08,740
this is from South Martin Curry , 

679
00:29:08,740 --> 00:29:10,740
County Commissioner . When will the 

680
00:29:10,740 --> 00:29:12,907
agricultural aspect of the damage down 

681
00:29:12,907 --> 00:29:12,850
from the preface be addressed ? 

682
00:29:17,540 --> 00:29:18,760
Yeah , 

683
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,351
So I don't know if we've lost Chris . 

684
00:29:26,351 --> 00:29:27,960
Have we lost you there or 

685
00:29:30,140 --> 00:29:33,250
No , I'm still here . Um , I guess , 

686
00:29:36,540 --> 00:29:39,460
um , trying to make sure I understand 

687
00:29:39,460 --> 00:29:42,550
the correct the question correctly . Um , 

688
00:29:44,340 --> 00:29:46,451
because you know , for right now what 

689
00:29:46,451 --> 00:29:48,440
the what the air Force is doing is 

690
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,218
following the circle process to 

691
00:29:50,218 --> 00:29:52,440
determine that nature and extent of the 

692
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,540
pain and determine what that a trip 

693
00:29:55,540 --> 00:29:58,070
left . Impact is off base . So that is 

694
00:29:58,070 --> 00:30:00,040
our first and main goal with this 

695
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,580
investigation . And like I said , that 

696
00:30:02,580 --> 00:30:04,469
will help determine what remedial 

697
00:30:04,469 --> 00:30:07,070
actions that we have that we we'll be 

698
00:30:07,070 --> 00:30:08,370
able to put in place 

699
00:30:10,860 --> 00:30:14,760
in the future . Uh huh . 

700
00:30:17,340 --> 00:30:19,173
I'm not sure if that answers the 

701
00:30:19,173 --> 00:30:20,173
question or not . 

702
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,273
Do we have any other questions ? 

703
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,373
We do have some hands raised , sir . Um , 

704
00:30:36,373 --> 00:30:39,090
I believe , Mr . And would you like to 

705
00:30:39,090 --> 00:30:39,660
go next ? 

706
00:30:43,140 --> 00:30:46,020
Thank you . Mhm . Sorry it was . 

707
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,170
Or is it my opportunity to speak ? 

708
00:30:52,340 --> 00:30:55,430
Sure . Thank you . My name is John Kern . 

709
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:58,590
I'm the executive director of a 

710
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,822
nonprofit here in New Mexico called the 

711
00:31:00,822 --> 00:31:03,060
Clean Water Partnership at Cannon , 

712
00:31:03,540 --> 00:31:05,670
where community based organization 

713
00:31:06,940 --> 00:31:09,162
that's dedicated to trying to work with 

714
00:31:09,162 --> 00:31:12,830
the military and community leaders to 

715
00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:16,460
find solutions for this , uh , 

716
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,960
endemic problem . Um , 

717
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,320
the sort of cold and detached nature of 

718
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,950
a 4 to 5 year inquiry 

719
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,160
that the circular process 

720
00:31:32,740 --> 00:31:35,350
gives license to here is 

721
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,210
is , I think , very startling to 

722
00:31:40,220 --> 00:31:42,331
probably most people on the telephone 

723
00:31:42,331 --> 00:31:45,970
on the call today . The idea that the 

724
00:31:45,970 --> 00:31:49,670
Air Force is willing to wait until 2025 

725
00:31:50,140 --> 00:31:53,460
before it implements any responses . 

726
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,790
Any meaningful responses , Um , in a 

727
00:31:57,790 --> 00:32:00,260
situation where we know for a fact 

728
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,730
based on evidence that the plume 

729
00:32:05,740 --> 00:32:08,040
is traveling at a rate of between a 

730
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,000
quarter of a mile per year and half a 

731
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,000
mile per year rather than the 50 ft 

732
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,170
per year , which is the normal 

733
00:32:18,180 --> 00:32:20,402
circumstance , where you do not have an 

734
00:32:20,402 --> 00:32:24,400
aquifer transiting these molecules 

735
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,580
underground but a quarter of a mile to 

736
00:32:27,580 --> 00:32:30,840
half a mile per year . So what we're 

737
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,510
hearing is that sort of standing 

738
00:32:34,510 --> 00:32:37,560
behind this long term circle process 

739
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,610
that the Air Force is willing to let 

740
00:32:40,610 --> 00:32:44,330
this go on . For another , let's say 

741
00:32:44,330 --> 00:32:46,660
two miles of transmission . 

742
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,740
Let's say now we have at least 10,000 

743
00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:55,180
acres under which this 

744
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:57,830
water exists . This contaminated water 

745
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:59,900
exists . By that time , it may be 

746
00:32:59,900 --> 00:33:03,460
25,000 acres or 40,000 

747
00:33:03,460 --> 00:33:06,960
acres , and that that seems to be 

748
00:33:07,740 --> 00:33:11,670
just acceptable to the program 

749
00:33:11,670 --> 00:33:14,650
manager is very shocking , frankly 

750
00:33:14,650 --> 00:33:18,520
speaking , and we , I think , would 

751
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,770
like to find a way to take 

752
00:33:21,770 --> 00:33:24,620
advantage of the testing , which is on 

753
00:33:24,620 --> 00:33:27,450
the books The State of New Mexico . 

754
00:33:28,340 --> 00:33:31,050
Past two pieces of legislation last 

755
00:33:31,050 --> 00:33:33,650
year one was to spend a million dollars 

756
00:33:33,650 --> 00:33:37,160
on testing of water , much of it in 

757
00:33:37,170 --> 00:33:40,900
Curry County , and another bill to 

758
00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:43,630
spend $100,000 . And the million 

759
00:33:43,630 --> 00:33:45,840
dollars is for the municipal water 

760
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,630
system testing and an additional 

761
00:33:49,630 --> 00:33:52,380
$100,000 on testing of , well , water 

762
00:33:52,380 --> 00:33:54,850
private well water in the affected 

763
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,190
areas . But perhaps it's because of 

764
00:33:59,190 --> 00:34:01,412
ongoing litigation between the state of 

765
00:34:01,412 --> 00:34:03,746
New Mexico and the Air Force . There is , 

766
00:34:03,746 --> 00:34:07,360
I hear zero cooperation for the benefit 

767
00:34:07,370 --> 00:34:09,760
of the residents of Clovis , Port , 

768
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,300
Alice , Curry County and Roosevelt 

769
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:16,260
County . And I would ask that 

770
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,940
the leadership of the airbase consider 

771
00:34:19,950 --> 00:34:23,540
modifying this circle of model to take 

772
00:34:23,540 --> 00:34:27,170
advantage of empirical evidence , which 

773
00:34:27,170 --> 00:34:30,590
is available to them to get after this 

774
00:34:30,590 --> 00:34:34,580
problem sooner rather than later . If 

775
00:34:34,580 --> 00:34:36,247
you can comment on that , I'd 

776
00:34:36,247 --> 00:34:38,247
appreciate that . And then I have a 

777
00:34:38,247 --> 00:34:41,710
follow up question , and , uh , I'd 

778
00:34:41,710 --> 00:34:44,370
like to ask , if possible , Chris , if 

779
00:34:44,370 --> 00:34:46,537
you don't mind , I'd like to ask Chris 

780
00:34:46,537 --> 00:34:48,537
Segura . If you would like to offer 

781
00:34:48,537 --> 00:34:51,450
some thoughts on that , Chris has got 

782
00:34:51,450 --> 00:34:53,617
some some information . I believe that 

783
00:34:53,617 --> 00:34:55,860
might be helpful . Christie available . 

784
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,284
You may be a mute Chris , 

785
00:35:22,540 --> 00:35:24,790
so he has no mike . I'm seeing that 

786
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:27,200
note there . Chris Gorky . Can you take 

787
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,030
it ? Yes , so thank you for your 

788
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:33,900
comments . And as the Air Force , we 

789
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:36,310
are following the circle process . And 

790
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:38,199
it's not that we're hiding behind 

791
00:35:38,199 --> 00:35:40,530
anything . We spend taxpayers dollars , 

792
00:35:40,540 --> 00:35:42,318
and we have to follow a certain 

793
00:35:42,318 --> 00:35:44,860
acquisition process , which drives us 

794
00:35:44,860 --> 00:35:47,470
to follow this circle process as we 

795
00:35:47,470 --> 00:35:49,637
talked about earlier . There's certain 

796
00:35:49,637 --> 00:35:51,859
constraints , as there's no promulgated 

797
00:35:51,859 --> 00:35:54,026
standards currently out there for both 

798
00:35:54,026 --> 00:35:55,859
the faucet people , but only the 

799
00:35:55,859 --> 00:35:57,803
lifetime health advisory of the 70 

800
00:35:57,803 --> 00:36:00,026
parts per trillion . But circle it does 

801
00:36:00,026 --> 00:36:01,914
offer us the framework to address 

802
00:36:01,914 --> 00:36:04,026
emerging contaminants . So that's why 

803
00:36:04,026 --> 00:36:06,137
we've been aggressively going through 

804
00:36:06,137 --> 00:36:08,303
the circle of process . And we are one 

805
00:36:08,303 --> 00:36:11,060
of the 1st 10 bases to be awarded the 

806
00:36:11,060 --> 00:36:13,720
Ri . And as I stated to that , we will 

807
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:16,220
be doing work out in the field later 

808
00:36:16,220 --> 00:36:18,276
this year , and that's going to help 

809
00:36:18,276 --> 00:36:20,840
drive the data that will get us that 

810
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,062
plume information and we're going to be 

811
00:36:23,062 --> 00:36:25,229
actively reviewing it as we go through 

812
00:36:25,229 --> 00:36:27,451
this process and if there are any times 

813
00:36:27,451 --> 00:36:29,618
that we might be able to implement any 

814
00:36:29,618 --> 00:36:31,990
potential interim measures . We will 

815
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:33,990
look at that and see if there's any 

816
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:36,101
means that we can do that . But right 

817
00:36:36,101 --> 00:36:38,268
now we must follow the process that is 

818
00:36:38,268 --> 00:36:41,620
laid out for us . Because that is the 

819
00:36:41,630 --> 00:36:43,852
framework that we have that we can work 

820
00:36:43,852 --> 00:36:44,840
within . 

821
00:36:47,830 --> 00:36:51,360
Yeah . Okay . Well , um , 

822
00:36:51,370 --> 00:36:53,481
thank you for that . I mean , I would 

823
00:36:54,030 --> 00:36:57,490
suggest that the surplus 

824
00:36:57,490 --> 00:36:59,700
standard is not a prick . Lucid , 

825
00:37:01,430 --> 00:37:05,330
major . It is one which is designed 

826
00:37:05,330 --> 00:37:08,800
as a minimum . It's the floor . In this 

827
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,090
circumstance , this little community is 

828
00:37:11,090 --> 00:37:14,870
suffering tremendously by a well known 

829
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:17,530
presence of this PFS in its water , set 

830
00:37:17,530 --> 00:37:20,440
in its water in areas neighboring the 

831
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,810
city and approaching the city's water 

832
00:37:22,810 --> 00:37:25,470
supply . Also approaching the city of 

833
00:37:25,470 --> 00:37:28,230
Port Alice Water supply . And so I 

834
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:30,286
would ask you to augment or actually 

835
00:37:30,286 --> 00:37:32,980
not asking you . I'm really asking the 

836
00:37:32,980 --> 00:37:35,880
colonel to augment the process to 

837
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,710
respond to what is actually happening 

838
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:40,932
in this community . I realize there are 

839
00:37:40,932 --> 00:37:43,620
633 different military facilities 

840
00:37:43,620 --> 00:37:45,842
around the country that are impacted by 

841
00:37:46,530 --> 00:37:50,220
be fast from military basis , but none 

842
00:37:50,220 --> 00:37:53,410
more so than Clovis and Canon . None . 

843
00:37:53,580 --> 00:37:56,610
This is the poster child . And to put 

844
00:37:56,610 --> 00:37:58,443
it in the same category as other 

845
00:37:58,443 --> 00:38:01,820
communities is a disservice to this 

846
00:38:01,820 --> 00:38:05,590
community , in my humble opinion . And 

847
00:38:05,590 --> 00:38:08,820
I would also note that the National 

848
00:38:08,820 --> 00:38:12,250
Defense Authorization Act for 2020 

849
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:14,460
it doesn't leave you with a 

850
00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:16,400
recommendation about what is the 

851
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,250
standard . Section 3 43 a 

852
00:38:20,260 --> 00:38:23,820
two imposes the standard as a matter of 

853
00:38:23,820 --> 00:38:26,430
law on the Air Force on all of the 

854
00:38:26,430 --> 00:38:30,250
Pentagon . It is not , um , 

855
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,610
suggestive . It is compulsory the 70 

856
00:38:34,610 --> 00:38:36,770
parts per trillion . So I think you 

857
00:38:36,770 --> 00:38:38,970
might want to reconsider the level of 

858
00:38:38,970 --> 00:38:41,026
authority you have to work with here 

859
00:38:41,026 --> 00:38:44,550
because it is It is compulsory . It's a 

860
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:47,610
matter of federal law as applied to the 

861
00:38:47,610 --> 00:38:50,210
Defense Department uniquely . And 

862
00:38:50,210 --> 00:38:52,210
Congress was right for passing that 

863
00:38:52,210 --> 00:38:55,340
major . The second question I have is 

864
00:38:55,820 --> 00:38:58,980
as to the agricultural standards on 

865
00:38:58,980 --> 00:39:02,440
August 4th of 2020 the Air Force 

866
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,240
Ah , excuse me . The Assistant 

867
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:08,300
Secretary defense . 

868
00:39:09,820 --> 00:39:12,850
Um , this is W . Jordan Gillis . 

869
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,853
Ah , I guess he works for Miss Sullivan . 

870
00:39:18,220 --> 00:39:20,890
Issued guidance on agricultural water 

871
00:39:20,890 --> 00:39:23,980
treatment . And this , 

872
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:27,950
um proclamation , Fourth of August 

873
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,860
2020 . Basically says that the d 

874
00:39:31,860 --> 00:39:34,710
o . D . Does not know what on earth it 

875
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:38,060
means to have contamination in 

876
00:39:38,070 --> 00:39:41,740
milk as an agricultural commodity . We 

877
00:39:41,740 --> 00:39:43,351
don't know what that means , 

878
00:39:45,620 --> 00:39:48,460
so they are saying , and I'm not going 

879
00:39:48,460 --> 00:39:50,800
to quote it for you can read it . But 

880
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,290
it basically says until such time as 

881
00:39:53,290 --> 00:39:55,457
these other agencies , including the F 

882
00:39:55,457 --> 00:39:59,020
D A or the U . S . D . A . Develop a 

883
00:39:59,020 --> 00:40:02,310
standard for contamination in a product 

884
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:06,250
like milk that the Defense Department's 

885
00:40:06,250 --> 00:40:08,490
hands are tied and it's not going to do 

886
00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:12,240
anything to address dairy water . 

887
00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:16,650
No , I have clean water . Partnership 

888
00:40:16,650 --> 00:40:20,630
is organized Freedom of Information Act 

889
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:24,130
requests and sourced all of the 

890
00:40:24,130 --> 00:40:27,920
data from the USDA Food Safety and 

891
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,142
Inspection Service , as well as the F D 

892
00:40:30,142 --> 00:40:32,820
A and the E P A . And we would very 

893
00:40:32,820 --> 00:40:35,840
much like the opportunity to work with 

894
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,990
you on establishing what is a 

895
00:40:38,990 --> 00:40:41,530
legitimate standard for the treatment 

896
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:44,750
of agricultural water , which is used 

897
00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:47,840
in the production of milk . It's not a 

898
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,520
mystery , it's not inexplicable . It's 

899
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,280
something that we can work through and 

900
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,090
define . And we would like the 

901
00:40:56,090 --> 00:40:58,034
opportunity to work with you Clean 

902
00:40:58,034 --> 00:40:59,868
Water partnership , working with 

903
00:41:00,810 --> 00:41:03,330
Canon's project managers to illustrate 

904
00:41:03,340 --> 00:41:06,690
and demonstrate that there is a viable 

905
00:41:06,690 --> 00:41:09,680
standard on agricultural water that 

906
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,280
finds its way into dairy . This is 

907
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,170
critical . Right ? And we would very 

908
00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:17,226
much like to work with you on that . 

909
00:41:17,226 --> 00:41:19,448
And I invite you to participate with us 

910
00:41:19,448 --> 00:41:21,448
or give us the opportunity to share 

911
00:41:21,448 --> 00:41:23,448
with you the information from these 

912
00:41:23,448 --> 00:41:25,850
other federal branches . Federal 

913
00:41:25,860 --> 00:41:28,590
agencies which have established the 

914
00:41:28,590 --> 00:41:30,490
connection between P fast and 

915
00:41:30,490 --> 00:41:32,950
agricultural water that works its way 

916
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:35,100
into the food supply . This is very 

917
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:37,630
critical to this community's future . 

918
00:41:38,010 --> 00:41:40,288
And I look forward to working with you . 

919
00:41:40,288 --> 00:41:42,010
I hope you'll agree to do so . 

920
00:41:50,010 --> 00:41:52,121
Thank you , Mr Curren , We appreciate 

921
00:41:52,121 --> 00:41:55,150
your comments . We we have Mr Segura 

922
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,530
believe , is able to offer some 

923
00:41:58,530 --> 00:42:00,697
thoughts now , Chris , are you Can you 

924
00:42:00,697 --> 00:42:00,610
hear us ? 

925
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,000
Maybe not . 

926
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,240
Mr . Curran will take your your offer 

927
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:21,760
to work with the organization . And , 

928
00:42:21,770 --> 00:42:23,937
uh , I'll tell you what if you'll give 

929
00:42:23,937 --> 00:42:26,230
us some contact information Will be 

930
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:28,286
glad to get back to you on that . If 

931
00:42:28,286 --> 00:42:30,452
you don't mind , I'll make a couple of 

932
00:42:30,452 --> 00:42:33,490
quick comments . Mark , Um , with 

933
00:42:33,490 --> 00:42:35,970
regard to the n d A . We're still 

934
00:42:35,970 --> 00:42:37,970
waiting for the office Secretary of 

935
00:42:37,970 --> 00:42:40,190
Defense to provide us implementing 

936
00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:43,040
guidance with that . And then again 

937
00:42:43,050 --> 00:42:45,930
with what the air force is 

938
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,330
main concern is is the implement . The 

939
00:42:49,330 --> 00:42:51,497
guidance that we currently have is the 

940
00:42:51,497 --> 00:42:53,600
70 parts per trillion . And so we're 

941
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,060
looking at the our 

942
00:42:57,070 --> 00:43:00,030
our focus has been on the drinking 

943
00:43:00,030 --> 00:43:03,760
water and making sure that we mitigate 

944
00:43:03,770 --> 00:43:07,170
any potential people were 

945
00:43:07,170 --> 00:43:09,090
drinking that water which we have 

946
00:43:09,090 --> 00:43:11,640
severed those pathways and then 

947
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,180
continuing forward with this Sorry and 

948
00:43:14,180 --> 00:43:16,940
determining what that plume is in 

949
00:43:16,940 --> 00:43:18,940
following this process that we have 

950
00:43:18,940 --> 00:43:21,107
because , as I said , you know , being 

951
00:43:21,107 --> 00:43:23,090
a federal entity , we have certain 

952
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:26,920
constraints and guidelines that we 

953
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,010
must follow because we are spending 

954
00:43:29,010 --> 00:43:31,980
taxpayers dollars . So we have all of 

955
00:43:31,980 --> 00:43:34,147
those requirements that we must follow 

956
00:43:34,147 --> 00:43:36,091
when we're doing these processes . 

957
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,656
Thank you very much for your input . 

958
00:43:46,656 --> 00:43:48,880
And I'll be happy to share my the 

959
00:43:48,890 --> 00:43:50,779
details of our organization . The 

960
00:43:50,779 --> 00:43:54,400
website is actually c WP dash 

961
00:43:54,410 --> 00:43:56,810
canon dot org 

962
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,256
If anyone's interested . Thank you . 

963
00:44:00,390 --> 00:44:04,390
Thank you , sir . Okay . Do we have any 

964
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:06,612
other questions ? We do ? It looks like 

965
00:44:06,612 --> 00:44:08,612
who else is up here ? Yes , sir . I 

966
00:44:08,612 --> 00:44:10,940
believe Jacob Linda's from the office 

967
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:13,500
of Senator Heinrich is next . 

968
00:44:15,790 --> 00:44:17,679
Thank you . Can you you hear me ? 

969
00:44:20,590 --> 00:44:23,780
Yes , we can . Awesome . Um , yes . 

970
00:44:23,790 --> 00:44:26,060
Jacob Windows here from , um , from 

971
00:44:26,060 --> 00:44:28,060
Senator Heinrich's office . Um , we 

972
00:44:28,060 --> 00:44:30,393
appreciate you holding these These , uh , 

973
00:44:30,393 --> 00:44:32,449
this meeting and look forward to the 

974
00:44:32,449 --> 00:44:34,616
quarterly meetings to come here . Um , 

975
00:44:34,616 --> 00:44:37,490
one follow up question on the interim 

976
00:44:37,500 --> 00:44:39,410
actions that I think Chris just 

977
00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:41,466
mentioned and were also mentioned in 

978
00:44:41,466 --> 00:44:44,610
the November um , briefing or meeting 

979
00:44:44,620 --> 00:44:46,870
that you all held . Um , can you 

980
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:50,540
outline briefly ? What kind of findings 

981
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:52,740
along the remedial investigation might 

982
00:44:52,740 --> 00:44:55,360
prompt an interim interim action what 

983
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,310
those actions might be . And , uh , 

984
00:44:59,690 --> 00:45:03,280
what I would say 

985
00:45:03,290 --> 00:45:05,220
if the 

986
00:45:06,990 --> 00:45:09,600
prompt for one of those actions is a 

987
00:45:09,610 --> 00:45:13,480
say a standard promulgated E 

988
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,360
p A or F or F D A . What ? The how 

989
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,090
quickly that response would would take 

990
00:45:20,090 --> 00:45:22,700
effect . Um , and then I have 11 follow 

991
00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:25,030
up question on the RAB after after this 

992
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:28,200
question . Thank you , Thank you . So 

993
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,060
with that , it's right now , I don't 

994
00:45:31,060 --> 00:45:33,282
really have an answer for you on that , 

995
00:45:33,282 --> 00:45:34,780
except for again balance 

996
00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:39,010
circle process . 

997
00:45:40,490 --> 00:45:44,080
And I'm sorry if anybody else is 

998
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,302
getting feedback . I was for a second . 

999
00:45:46,302 --> 00:45:48,524
So it's following that circle process . 

1000
00:45:48,524 --> 00:45:50,747
And as we get that data , that's what's 

1001
00:45:50,747 --> 00:45:53,024
going to drive it . So in in our field , 

1002
00:45:53,024 --> 00:45:55,660
it's data drives the process . And as 

1003
00:45:55,660 --> 00:45:57,680
we get data , we can look at it and 

1004
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,750
determine if there are any potential 

1005
00:46:00,750 --> 00:46:03,083
interim actions that we could implement . 

1006
00:46:03,083 --> 00:46:04,917
So at this time , without having 

1007
00:46:04,917 --> 00:46:07,083
started the remedial investigation , I 

1008
00:46:07,083 --> 00:46:09,194
don't have a correct answer for you . 

1009
00:46:09,194 --> 00:46:11,520
But in future meetings , hopefully we 

1010
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,687
will have some information that we can 

1011
00:46:13,687 --> 00:46:15,520
share with you and give you more 

1012
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,040
clarification on that . Great . Thank 

1013
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,700
you . Yeah , I think I think there 

1014
00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:23,922
would be wide interest in understanding 

1015
00:46:23,922 --> 00:46:26,380
what that interim measure action 

1016
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:28,334
process looks like as the remedial 

1017
00:46:28,334 --> 00:46:30,334
investigation get started . Um , my 

1018
00:46:30,334 --> 00:46:32,446
follow up question or clarification ? 

1019
00:46:32,446 --> 00:46:34,446
Question ? Maybe on the restoration 

1020
00:46:34,446 --> 00:46:36,612
advisory board . Um , you know , I was 

1021
00:46:36,612 --> 00:46:40,010
taking a look at the the handbook and 

1022
00:46:40,020 --> 00:46:42,410
I'm curious , you know , in the 

1023
00:46:42,410 --> 00:46:44,521
handbook , it says that a restoration 

1024
00:46:44,521 --> 00:46:46,410
advisory board sets out a mission 

1025
00:46:46,410 --> 00:46:48,632
statement and goals as one of the first 

1026
00:46:48,632 --> 00:46:51,260
undertakings . And that's done kind of 

1027
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:54,110
by consensus . Together , the given 

1028
00:46:54,110 --> 00:46:55,943
military installation , plus the 

1029
00:46:55,943 --> 00:46:58,110
interested community members , Can you 

1030
00:46:58,110 --> 00:47:01,770
clarify maybe the bounds of what that 

1031
00:47:01,770 --> 00:47:03,659
mission statement and goals , for 

1032
00:47:03,659 --> 00:47:05,659
instance , could the members of the 

1033
00:47:05,659 --> 00:47:07,659
Restoration Advisory Board together 

1034
00:47:07,659 --> 00:47:10,330
decide to spend 90% of their time 

1035
00:47:10,340 --> 00:47:14,040
talking about a P fast related issue 

1036
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,000
and 10% of their time focused on other 

1037
00:47:17,010 --> 00:47:19,440
environmental restoration issues . Um , 

1038
00:47:19,450 --> 00:47:22,100
I'm seeing in the in the handbook here , 

1039
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,230
you know , specific language around the 

1040
00:47:25,230 --> 00:47:27,970
RAB cannot talk about issues other than 

1041
00:47:27,970 --> 00:47:30,192
environmental restoration , but I'm not 

1042
00:47:30,192 --> 00:47:32,360
necessarily seeing language that 

1043
00:47:32,370 --> 00:47:34,750
requires a RAB to address or spend 

1044
00:47:34,750 --> 00:47:37,570
equal time say , on the whole suite of 

1045
00:47:37,580 --> 00:47:40,050
environmental restoration issues at a 

1046
00:47:40,050 --> 00:47:42,360
given installation . Um , thank you for 

1047
00:47:42,370 --> 00:47:45,320
that clarification . No problem . And 

1048
00:47:45,330 --> 00:47:47,552
and looking through and I don't want to 

1049
00:47:47,552 --> 00:47:49,719
spend too much time on the restoration 

1050
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,941
advisory board , But thank you for your 

1051
00:47:51,941 --> 00:47:54,200
question on that . And there is , um , 

1052
00:47:54,580 --> 00:47:56,691
in the CFR is and with that , it does 

1053
00:47:56,691 --> 00:47:59,620
state that and also for us with again 

1054
00:47:59,630 --> 00:48:01,797
spending taxpayers dollars that we are 

1055
00:48:01,797 --> 00:48:03,574
to cover the entire restoration 

1056
00:48:03,574 --> 00:48:05,960
portfolio as a whole in it . It is 

1057
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,904
definitely a subject that would be 

1058
00:48:07,904 --> 00:48:09,904
brought up . And there is the chief 

1059
00:48:09,904 --> 00:48:11,849
awesome portfolio . But we're also 

1060
00:48:11,849 --> 00:48:14,071
going to be spending time equally among 

1061
00:48:14,071 --> 00:48:17,910
all of the other things . Uh huh . So 

1062
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,550
so is that . That's a regulation then 

1063
00:48:21,550 --> 00:48:24,810
within the RAB . The 

1064
00:48:24,820 --> 00:48:26,580
authority . 

1065
00:48:29,470 --> 00:48:33,350
Sorry I get on you . Um , only if you 

1066
00:48:33,350 --> 00:48:35,350
would like . We could take this off 

1067
00:48:35,350 --> 00:48:37,590
flying . Uh , just these slides will be 

1068
00:48:37,590 --> 00:48:39,470
available . And if you email the 

1069
00:48:39,470 --> 00:48:42,240
website that are the email address that 

1070
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:44,351
was on the RAB slide , that will come 

1071
00:48:44,351 --> 00:48:46,518
to me . And we could have some further 

1072
00:48:46,518 --> 00:48:48,684
conversations on this , if you would , 

1073
00:48:48,684 --> 00:48:50,796
if you would like . Yeah , that would 

1074
00:48:50,796 --> 00:48:52,962
be great . You know , I think we would 

1075
00:48:52,962 --> 00:48:55,018
just like to make sure we understand 

1076
00:48:55,018 --> 00:48:57,240
that process fully for for , uh when we 

1077
00:48:57,240 --> 00:48:59,400
have questions from our constituents 

1078
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,560
here . So thank you . So and again , I 

1079
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,560
like to write , you know , when In 

1080
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,727
November we had a stakeholders meeting 

1081
00:49:06,727 --> 00:49:08,227
and we had state and local 

1082
00:49:08,227 --> 00:49:11,050
representatives . We have the base give 

1083
00:49:11,050 --> 00:49:13,272
them a status update . And that was one 

1084
00:49:13,272 --> 00:49:15,494
of the things that they had shared with 

1085
00:49:15,494 --> 00:49:17,780
everyone . Was that the public's 

1086
00:49:17,790 --> 00:49:20,220
request for additional information 

1087
00:49:20,220 --> 00:49:22,990
regarding what was going on with the 

1088
00:49:22,990 --> 00:49:25,157
investigation here at Cannon Air Force 

1089
00:49:25,157 --> 00:49:27,670
Base ? And we felt that these quarterly 

1090
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:29,670
meetings we're going to be the best 

1091
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:32,240
means to address that concern because 

1092
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:35,740
we can be very targeted at the P . Foss 

1093
00:49:35,740 --> 00:49:37,684
befo , and these will be dedicated 

1094
00:49:37,684 --> 00:49:38,590
towards that . 

1095
00:49:44,070 --> 00:49:45,070
Thank you 

1096
00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:50,263
There . I believe Kathy Elliott is next . 

1097
00:49:51,170 --> 00:49:53,450
Hello . Good afternoon . I am with 

1098
00:49:53,460 --> 00:49:55,460
Clean Water Partnership of Canon as 

1099
00:49:55,460 --> 00:49:58,310
well . And after I was watching Chris 

1100
00:49:58,310 --> 00:50:00,532
presentation there , I just had a quick 

1101
00:50:00,532 --> 00:50:02,490
question . Chris , Um , one of the 

1102
00:50:02,490 --> 00:50:05,760
slides you said , um , you're working 

1103
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,040
with them to install drinking water 

1104
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,151
filtration systems and locations that 

1105
00:50:10,151 --> 00:50:13,430
exceed the lifetime health advisory for 

1106
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:16,230
drinking water . Can you give me a 

1107
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:19,210
definitive number of families that you 

1108
00:50:19,210 --> 00:50:21,432
have actually helped install filtration 

1109
00:50:21,432 --> 00:50:25,330
systems ? Well , we only had three 

1110
00:50:25,330 --> 00:50:27,480
locations that exceeded the lifetime 

1111
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,670
health advisory . And so one of the 

1112
00:50:30,670 --> 00:50:32,800
locations we are currently working to 

1113
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,750
install those at so is that one 

1114
00:50:36,750 --> 00:50:40,210
family . It is actually a business . 

1115
00:50:40,220 --> 00:50:43,180
The other two locations declined us the 

1116
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:44,780
installation at their 

1117
00:50:47,060 --> 00:50:50,500
and okay . There were three to decline , 

1118
00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:52,444
Did they say ? Why ? I'm curious . 

1119
00:50:53,860 --> 00:50:57,850
They just declined . Okay . Thank 

1120
00:50:57,850 --> 00:50:59,390
you , 

1121
00:51:02,260 --> 00:51:04,371
sir . I believe Matt Miller is next , 

1122
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,600
Um , real quick before we go to the 

1123
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,880
next question . Uh , no , Pat 

1124
00:51:10,890 --> 00:51:13,580
Leon , I'm sorry if I mispronounced 

1125
00:51:13,580 --> 00:51:16,330
that , but I wanted to finalize the 

1126
00:51:16,330 --> 00:51:19,070
question that she has asked earlier for 

1127
00:51:19,070 --> 00:51:21,850
the reasons for other use of the Oculus 

1128
00:51:21,850 --> 00:51:23,980
film forming foam . And that was for 

1129
00:51:23,980 --> 00:51:26,520
training uses prior to any health 

1130
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,730
advisories coming out . It used to be 

1131
00:51:28,730 --> 00:51:32,230
used in training exercises , so I 

1132
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:34,462
wanted to make sure that we circle back 

1133
00:51:34,462 --> 00:51:36,073
and answered your question . 

1134
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,640
Okay . And this is Matt Miller with 

1135
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,973
Congresswoman Ledger Fernandez's office . 

1136
00:51:49,973 --> 00:51:52,196
My connections kind of spotty . Can you 

1137
00:51:52,196 --> 00:51:55,430
hear me ? Yes , I can . Great . Thanks . 

1138
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,890
Thank you for hosting this call . Um , 

1139
00:51:58,660 --> 00:52:00,882
obviously , you're gonna get to a point 

1140
00:52:00,882 --> 00:52:03,049
in the circular process here where you 

1141
00:52:03,049 --> 00:52:05,580
have to deal with the plume itself . So 

1142
00:52:05,580 --> 00:52:08,600
can you tell me what What that's going 

1143
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,711
to look like eventually . I mean , do 

1144
00:52:10,711 --> 00:52:12,878
you have technology that is just going 

1145
00:52:12,878 --> 00:52:14,822
to stop the plume , or do you have 

1146
00:52:14,822 --> 00:52:16,933
technology that is going to remove it 

1147
00:52:16,933 --> 00:52:16,680
from the ground ? If you can tell me 

1148
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,791
what that will actually look like And 

1149
00:52:18,791 --> 00:52:21,069
then do you have any sense of how long ? 

1150
00:52:21,069 --> 00:52:23,850
Ultimately it will be . Um , by the 

1151
00:52:23,850 --> 00:52:25,683
time you you know , you identify 

1152
00:52:25,683 --> 00:52:27,572
everything and and then remediate 

1153
00:52:27,572 --> 00:52:29,406
mitigate the plume and the whole 

1154
00:52:29,406 --> 00:52:32,210
process is done . I can't give you an 

1155
00:52:32,210 --> 00:52:34,880
estimated timeline on that . Now , the 

1156
00:52:34,890 --> 00:52:37,390
current remedial investigation contract 

1157
00:52:37,390 --> 00:52:40,720
we have is a five year contract . But 

1158
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:42,550
going through that process will 

1159
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,760
delineate the nature and extent of the 

1160
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,280
plume here . There are several 

1161
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,020
different types of , um , remediation 

1162
00:52:51,020 --> 00:52:53,020
technologies that are out there and 

1163
00:52:53,020 --> 00:52:55,131
we'll be looking at based and again , 

1164
00:52:55,250 --> 00:52:57,550
you know , the data drives the program 

1165
00:52:57,550 --> 00:53:00,050
here . So as we look at what data we 

1166
00:53:00,050 --> 00:53:02,370
get , we will be looking at all the 

1167
00:53:02,370 --> 00:53:05,050
different technologies . But , I mean , 

1168
00:53:05,060 --> 00:53:07,810
a general thought process , maybe 

1169
00:53:07,810 --> 00:53:10,032
somewhere along the lines of maybe like 

1170
00:53:10,032 --> 00:53:12,199
a pump and treat system as we know the 

1171
00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:15,990
aquifers around 350 plus feet deep so 

1172
00:53:16,030 --> 00:53:18,510
that that could be a possibility . But 

1173
00:53:18,510 --> 00:53:20,677
then again , it's going to be based on 

1174
00:53:20,677 --> 00:53:22,150
what the data shows us . 

1175
00:53:24,750 --> 00:53:27,300
Yeah , Great . Thank you . Appreciate 

1176
00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:28,300
it . 

1177
00:53:34,050 --> 00:53:37,380
Right ? Can I do a follow up to that 

1178
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:41,470
question , please ? This is Walter 

1179
00:53:41,470 --> 00:53:43,670
Bradley . Absolutely . Go ahead . 

1180
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:48,600
Depending on the size and the speed of 

1181
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,200
that plume , let's make an assumption 

1182
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:56,080
that it's a moved quite a bit 

1183
00:53:56,090 --> 00:53:59,770
away from the blue , the blue area that 

1184
00:53:59,770 --> 00:54:02,350
we initially looked at two years ago 

1185
00:54:02,740 --> 00:54:05,870
and is rapidly approaching a 

1186
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,970
business . And we've got major 

1187
00:54:07,970 --> 00:54:11,860
businesses downstream there with that , 

1188
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,640
would that maybe qualify as an 

1189
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,560
emergency and set you into a We 

1190
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,120
better get after this mode instead of 

1191
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:24,610
the circle of time frame . Is there a 

1192
00:54:24,620 --> 00:54:28,480
Is there an emergency outlet situation ? 

1193
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,313
Of course . Under your circle of 

1194
00:54:30,313 --> 00:54:33,170
guidelines . Mhm . 

1195
00:54:34,940 --> 00:54:38,910
Mm . But again , 

1196
00:54:38,910 --> 00:54:41,410
as we're going through this process and 

1197
00:54:41,410 --> 00:54:45,190
we're gathering data were continuing 

1198
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:47,910
this process to gather data and 

1199
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:51,860
determine what that plume is . So 

1200
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,430
not sure that I I mean , 

1201
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,600
I'm not sure I have an answer for you 

1202
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,320
on Maybe if you can rephrase it . I'm 

1203
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,340
not sure quite understand it . Sure 

1204
00:55:05,340 --> 00:55:08,020
what ? What I'm after is is 

1205
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,750
we have businesses , and and And there 

1206
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:14,200
are some residential properties . And , 

1207
00:55:14,210 --> 00:55:17,260
uh , certainly dairies are downstream . 

1208
00:55:17,950 --> 00:55:20,200
And if we're about to contaminate , if 

1209
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,420
that plume is about to contaminate 

1210
00:55:22,430 --> 00:55:26,060
another dairy , would that 

1211
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,300
create ? I'm saying it creates a , uh , 

1212
00:55:30,310 --> 00:55:33,950
an emergency situation to go to to , uh , 

1213
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,760
clean up , Um , and immediately 

1214
00:55:37,770 --> 00:55:40,470
Is that a possibility that you have a 

1215
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,060
the way to do that ? If you have a 

1216
00:55:43,070 --> 00:55:46,980
jeopardy ? Well , and I understand what 

1217
00:55:46,980 --> 00:55:49,091
you're asking now . So as we're going 

1218
00:55:49,091 --> 00:55:51,070
through this process , we will be 

1219
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,750
actively looking at all of our data 

1220
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,760
that we're gathering . And as we're 

1221
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,910
doing that , seeing if there are any 

1222
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,680
interim actions that could be 

1223
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,950
implemented to potentially address it 

1224
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,350
sooner rather than later . Okay . 

1225
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:08,030
Thank you , 

1226
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:18,574
Captain Charter , Do we have other 

1227
00:56:18,574 --> 00:56:21,690
questions in the chat Pop ? We do , sir . 

1228
00:56:21,700 --> 00:56:24,650
One moment . Um , we have one Kayleigh 

1229
00:56:24,650 --> 00:56:27,550
green It is . I understand the Air 

1230
00:56:27,550 --> 00:56:30,030
Force is working on making sure people 

1231
00:56:30,030 --> 00:56:32,580
whose water supplies over the L H a r 

1232
00:56:32,580 --> 00:56:34,636
first being given alternate drinking 

1233
00:56:34,636 --> 00:56:36,691
water infiltration systems . What is 

1234
00:56:36,691 --> 00:56:38,858
next for people who have been affected 

1235
00:56:38,858 --> 00:56:41,080
by more than just drinking water ? What 

1236
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,191
about those who cannot use their land 

1237
00:56:43,191 --> 00:56:43,160
for business use anymore , like dairy 

1238
00:56:43,170 --> 00:56:45,059
or farming ? Because of the false 

1239
00:56:45,059 --> 00:56:47,170
people contamination . For instance , 

1240
00:56:47,170 --> 00:56:49,281
Highland Dairy , which is just a ways 

1241
00:56:49,281 --> 00:56:51,392
from Cannon Air Force Base , owned by 

1242
00:56:51,392 --> 00:56:53,337
Art Shop , who has had to dump all 

1243
00:56:56,130 --> 00:56:57,130
Yeah . 

1244
00:57:00,230 --> 00:57:03,420
Oh , Christopher , you can go ahead and 

1245
00:57:03,420 --> 00:57:05,587
answer the question , because that was 

1246
00:57:05,587 --> 00:57:08,330
the end of it . Yeah . 

1247
00:57:09,230 --> 00:57:12,680
Okay . Chris Berkey , this is John 

1248
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,530
Macoun . Uh , hang on . Let me turn on 

1249
00:57:15,530 --> 00:57:16,530
the camera . 

1250
00:57:20,030 --> 00:57:22,030
Our video is not working . I'm John 

1251
00:57:22,030 --> 00:57:24,310
McCain . I am an air Force attorney 

1252
00:57:24,310 --> 00:57:26,420
that is the legal advisor to the 

1253
00:57:26,430 --> 00:57:29,530
cleanup team at Cannon . And to answer 

1254
00:57:29,530 --> 00:57:33,260
your question , uh , circle it and 

1255
00:57:33,260 --> 00:57:36,450
the the cleanup authorities allow us to 

1256
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:40,660
do the remediation to take action to 

1257
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:44,750
control cleanup . The the 

1258
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,200
impact what you're asking about is 

1259
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,490
damages , and that is that is a 

1260
00:57:49,490 --> 00:57:51,760
separate issue , and that's addressed 

1261
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,080
to the claims process . And , if 

1262
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:55,950
necessary , litigation process . 

1263
00:57:59,130 --> 00:58:02,940
Inter measures to prevent . Uh huh . 

1264
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,687
Impact can be taken along the way , as 

1265
00:58:05,687 --> 00:58:07,576
Chris has already said during the 

1266
00:58:07,576 --> 00:58:09,520
circle process , but , uh , asking 

1267
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,290
about compensation for lost 

1268
00:58:13,300 --> 00:58:16,890
value of property or lost product 

1269
00:58:16,890 --> 00:58:18,834
and that sort of thing that that's 

1270
00:58:18,834 --> 00:58:20,723
addressed to the claims process . 

1271
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:26,576
Thank you , John . 

1272
00:58:30,020 --> 00:58:32,187
What else do we have ? Captain Chato . 

1273
00:58:32,187 --> 00:58:35,040
Any others ? Mr . Kincaid , this is Mr 

1274
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,420
Mercado . The next question we have is 

1275
00:58:38,430 --> 00:58:42,240
from Seth Circle A is informally called 

1276
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,640
Super Fund . It allows people to clean 

1277
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,970
up contaminated sites . It also forces 

1278
00:58:46,970 --> 00:58:48,748
the parties responsible for the 

1279
00:58:48,748 --> 00:58:50,526
contamination to either perform 

1280
00:58:50,526 --> 00:58:52,581
cleanups or reimburse the government 

1281
00:58:52,581 --> 00:58:54,637
for e . P . A lead cleanup work . Is 

1282
00:58:54,637 --> 00:58:57,180
this true ? And how can the process be 

1283
00:58:57,180 --> 00:58:59,470
sped up to incorporate the clean up of 

1284
00:58:59,470 --> 00:59:02,160
the groundwater in our aquifer , both 

1285
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,250
for drinking and agricultural use . 

1286
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,900
So that's a I don't know that . That's 

1287
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:18,077
a question that we're able to answer . 

1288
00:59:18,077 --> 00:59:19,966
You're talking about changing the 

1289
00:59:19,966 --> 00:59:21,854
circle of processes . Am I ? Am I 

1290
00:59:21,854 --> 00:59:23,021
getting that right ? 

1291
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:31,680
I'm reading the question from Mr Seth 

1292
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:35,610
Martin as as typed out . Perhaps if 

1293
00:59:35,610 --> 00:59:39,220
he's still on , he can get . Yeah , I'm 

1294
00:59:39,220 --> 00:59:43,170
still here to help . Okay , so I 

1295
00:59:43,180 --> 00:59:45,402
think y'all have already addressed it . 

1296
00:59:45,402 --> 00:59:47,624
This is all data driven . So we're kind 

1297
00:59:47,624 --> 00:59:49,624
of at the mercy of the data at this 

1298
00:59:49,624 --> 00:59:52,210
time . Uh , it's just when we can 

1299
00:59:52,210 --> 00:59:54,330
actually get past the data driven 

1300
00:59:54,330 --> 00:59:56,180
process and actually , like you 

1301
00:59:56,190 --> 00:59:58,190
mentioned before , get boots on the 

1302
00:59:58,190 --> 01:00:00,246
ground and , uh , something actually 

1303
01:00:00,246 --> 01:00:03,110
being done to , uh , physically address . 

1304
01:00:03,110 --> 01:00:05,166
What's going on ? I just put it on . 

1305
01:00:05,166 --> 01:00:07,500
Paper is data . That's the main thing . 

1306
01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:09,611
And I think I've gotten what I needed 

1307
01:00:09,611 --> 01:00:11,833
from the meeting that that's that's not 

1308
01:00:11,833 --> 01:00:14,000
available at this time . We have to go 

1309
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,090
through this set in place process . And 

1310
01:00:17,100 --> 01:00:19,560
I guess several of us have asked that 

1311
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,950
question how to speed it up . It 

1312
01:00:21,950 --> 01:00:24,061
doesn't sound like there's a way even 

1313
01:00:24,061 --> 01:00:26,310
naming it as a Superfund site . Uh , 

1314
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,320
which would be a negative for Canon 

1315
01:00:28,510 --> 01:00:30,566
wouldn't help that at all either . I 

1316
01:00:30,566 --> 01:00:32,790
don't believe Mark . Can I jump in ? 

1317
01:00:32,790 --> 01:00:35,930
This is John McCain again , uh , naming 

1318
01:00:35,930 --> 01:00:39,640
as a Superfund site . Um , with 

1319
01:00:40,410 --> 01:00:43,820
wind up bringing the E p a would would 

1320
01:00:43,830 --> 01:00:45,886
would be there and there would be an 

1321
01:00:45,886 --> 01:00:47,997
agreement on the EPA , and it would , 

1322
01:00:47,997 --> 01:00:50,052
you know , we'd be accomplishing the 

1323
01:00:50,052 --> 01:00:52,219
same thing . Right now , the Air Force 

1324
01:00:52,219 --> 01:00:54,330
is , uh , doing the doing the cleanup 

1325
01:00:54,330 --> 01:00:56,163
with consultation from the state 

1326
01:00:56,163 --> 01:00:59,210
federal regulators . And that wouldn't 

1327
01:00:59,210 --> 01:01:02,140
change . It would just , um it's not 

1328
01:01:02,140 --> 01:01:03,918
necessarily going to accelerate 

1329
01:01:03,918 --> 01:01:05,973
anything that there would be time to 

1330
01:01:05,973 --> 01:01:08,029
negotiate an agreement and that that 

1331
01:01:08,029 --> 01:01:10,029
would have to be put in place . But 

1332
01:01:10,029 --> 01:01:10,010
you're still going through the same 

1333
01:01:10,010 --> 01:01:12,790
process . And it's driven by federal 

1334
01:01:12,790 --> 01:01:16,780
law and regulations . Uh , and you 

1335
01:01:16,780 --> 01:01:18,780
have to do the investigations . You 

1336
01:01:18,780 --> 01:01:20,669
have to assess risk and then make 

1337
01:01:20,670 --> 01:01:22,430
decisions based on risk . 

1338
01:01:26,210 --> 01:01:29,830
Thank you . Thank you , 

1339
01:01:29,830 --> 01:01:32,240
John . Uh , Misty . Any more questions ? 

1340
01:01:33,210 --> 01:01:35,266
Yes , sir . We have another question 

1341
01:01:35,266 --> 01:01:37,560
that came in just wanting clarification 

1342
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,504
as to why the investigation is not 

1343
01:01:39,504 --> 01:01:43,250
starting until October . And 

1344
01:01:43,250 --> 01:01:45,700
that goes back to the circle process 

1345
01:01:45,700 --> 01:01:47,922
for the remedial investigation . Before 

1346
01:01:47,922 --> 01:01:50,800
any work can be started , we have to 

1347
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,790
have a comprehensive work plan 

1348
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,740
completed and then approved by the EPA . 

1349
01:01:57,110 --> 01:01:59,221
And so we are currently going through 

1350
01:01:59,221 --> 01:02:02,300
that process . Um getting the draft has 

1351
01:02:02,300 --> 01:02:05,990
been reviewed and is by the Air Force 

1352
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:08,810
and is under review , uh , further . 

1353
01:02:09,500 --> 01:02:12,660
So , as I said , September 20th or 

1354
01:02:12,660 --> 01:02:16,540
September of 21 is the final 

1355
01:02:16,540 --> 01:02:20,120
estimated time for it to be completed . 

1356
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,700
But we are trying our best to push that 

1357
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:26,010
for faster if we can , so we could get 

1358
01:02:26,020 --> 01:02:29,430
out in the field even sooner . Mhm . 

1359
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:34,000
Yeah , 

1360
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,880
Mr . Kincaid , we have another question 

1361
01:02:39,890 --> 01:02:43,070
from Sean Duggan , Um , or Dugan , 

1362
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,320
Officer of Senator Martin Heinrich . 

1363
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:48,756
He says , curious about any 

1364
01:02:48,756 --> 01:02:50,920
communication or direction you've had 

1365
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,087
with the new administration , if any . 

1366
01:02:53,087 --> 01:02:55,253
Whether that be from the office of the 

1367
01:02:55,253 --> 01:02:57,380
secretary of the Air Force , OSD or 

1368
01:02:57,380 --> 01:03:00,270
other agencies like E P A . F T A or 

1369
01:03:00,270 --> 01:03:01,120
Agriculture . 

1370
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,570
Mhm . Uh , 

1371
01:03:08,580 --> 01:03:12,170
this is what I'm just from Chris Kirky 

1372
01:03:12,170 --> 01:03:14,226
on my side . I have not . But Mark , 

1373
01:03:14,226 --> 01:03:16,281
I'll let you take that if you've had 

1374
01:03:16,281 --> 01:03:19,200
anything else . Well , I I think it's 

1375
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,533
important to note that the program , uh , 

1376
01:03:21,533 --> 01:03:24,550
the environmental program in the 

1377
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,390
response to people's people a policy is 

1378
01:03:27,390 --> 01:03:31,180
established by , uh , the secretary of 

1379
01:03:31,180 --> 01:03:33,940
the Air Force's Office . So it's a 

1380
01:03:33,950 --> 01:03:36,320
continuum of communication . There are 

1381
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,290
people in chains of command who have 

1382
01:03:39,300 --> 01:03:41,356
been there for a while , and they're 

1383
01:03:41,356 --> 01:03:43,356
well versed in these projects , and 

1384
01:03:43,356 --> 01:03:45,411
they're continuing to update the new 

1385
01:03:45,411 --> 01:03:47,633
administration of what's going on . And 

1386
01:03:47,633 --> 01:03:49,967
also , it's worth noting that last year , 

1387
01:03:49,967 --> 01:03:52,022
or maybe it was a little longer than 

1388
01:03:52,022 --> 01:03:54,590
that D o d stood up a task force to 

1389
01:03:54,590 --> 01:03:56,646
address pathos and people A and they 

1390
01:03:56,646 --> 01:03:58,868
are much more actively involved in it . 

1391
01:03:58,868 --> 01:04:00,923
They created . They brought together 

1392
01:04:00,923 --> 01:04:02,979
more comprehensive approach and more 

1393
01:04:02,979 --> 01:04:05,146
standardized approach . So I would say 

1394
01:04:05,146 --> 01:04:08,380
that from Chris's office all the way up 

1395
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:11,770
to the Secretary of Defense , this 

1396
01:04:11,770 --> 01:04:15,020
issue is is understood and they're 

1397
01:04:15,020 --> 01:04:17,020
searching for answers . And they're 

1398
01:04:17,020 --> 01:04:18,910
working with their other federal 

1399
01:04:18,910 --> 01:04:22,470
partners to find solutions to some of 

1400
01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:24,414
the very tough questions that this 

1401
01:04:24,414 --> 01:04:26,530
community is asking and to address 

1402
01:04:26,530 --> 01:04:28,980
those very important concerns that you 

1403
01:04:28,980 --> 01:04:32,160
have . Yeah , everybody . 

1404
01:04:32,190 --> 01:04:35,270
Yeah . I mean , this is Sean here , and 

1405
01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:37,381
I appreciate it and thank you all for 

1406
01:04:37,381 --> 01:04:39,103
your time . You know , we were 

1407
01:04:39,103 --> 01:04:41,270
definitely paying very close attention 

1408
01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:43,492
to this . And as you know , some of the 

1409
01:04:43,492 --> 01:04:45,714
sponsors and supporters of the sections 

1410
01:04:45,714 --> 01:04:49,590
of the , uh F Y . 20 Bill 3 43 

1411
01:04:49,590 --> 01:04:53,210
3 . 44 3 . 45 That 

1412
01:04:53,220 --> 01:04:55,220
that you all are responding to . We 

1413
01:04:55,220 --> 01:04:57,780
find those obviously as permissive 

1414
01:04:57,780 --> 01:05:00,940
language but not directive language . 

1415
01:05:00,950 --> 01:05:04,160
And unfortunately , we experienced some 

1416
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:05,827
push back during the previous 

1417
01:05:05,827 --> 01:05:08,260
administration and from our colleagues 

1418
01:05:08,260 --> 01:05:10,880
on on the other side of the aisle to be 

1419
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,330
more direct and to be more directive on 

1420
01:05:14,330 --> 01:05:17,860
that language . So I guess I'm my My 

1421
01:05:17,860 --> 01:05:20,040
question was whether or not there was 

1422
01:05:20,050 --> 01:05:22,570
more appetite from this new 

1423
01:05:22,570 --> 01:05:25,220
administration in the early early times , 

1424
01:05:25,220 --> 01:05:28,880
the only two months to to be more Hey , 

1425
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,880
you've been given this a permissive 

1426
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,440
authority from Congress . Let's act on 

1427
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,718
it and it sounds like the answer is no . 

1428
01:05:35,718 --> 01:05:36,718
Is that correct ? 

1429
01:05:43,590 --> 01:05:46,600
Chris ? You the well , it 

1430
01:05:47,590 --> 01:05:49,701
I believe what you're referring to is 

1431
01:05:49,701 --> 01:05:52,490
the India , and that goes back to We 

1432
01:05:52,490 --> 01:05:54,434
are still waiting on the Office of 

1433
01:05:54,434 --> 01:05:56,740
Secretary of Defense to provide us with 

1434
01:05:56,750 --> 01:05:59,860
implementation guidance . So , uh , we 

1435
01:05:59,860 --> 01:06:01,971
can only implement what guidance that 

1436
01:06:01,971 --> 01:06:03,971
we have . And they're the ones that 

1437
01:06:03,971 --> 01:06:06,610
provide us with that time and again , 

1438
01:06:06,620 --> 01:06:10,120
uh , the back in September , the office 

1439
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:11,953
secretary of defense , Assistant 

1440
01:06:11,953 --> 01:06:14,176
Secretary , a defense for sustainment , 

1441
01:06:14,176 --> 01:06:16,398
did issue some guidance on implementing 

1442
01:06:16,398 --> 01:06:20,280
Section 3 44 and also section 3 

1443
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,710
40 uh , three of the N D A . 

1444
01:06:24,180 --> 01:06:27,060
And and and in that question , to 

1445
01:06:27,060 --> 01:06:29,530
answer a fact sheet that Mark and Kate 

1446
01:06:29,530 --> 01:06:31,586
referred to as it's going to be made 

1447
01:06:31,586 --> 01:06:33,641
available . It lays out some of that 

1448
01:06:33,641 --> 01:06:35,086
criteria that the D O . D 

1449
01:06:35,086 --> 01:06:38,660
implementation has given the services 

1450
01:06:38,660 --> 01:06:41,090
guidance , son . Okay , this is how 

1451
01:06:41,580 --> 01:06:44,040
this is going to be done . And there's 

1452
01:06:44,050 --> 01:06:46,970
criteria that needs to be met . And if 

1453
01:06:46,970 --> 01:06:50,180
the criteria is met , uh , then the 

1454
01:06:50,180 --> 01:06:53,790
service has to notify and get , uh , 

1455
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,530
approval from D o D before they go out 

1456
01:06:56,530 --> 01:07:00,010
and actually either provide filtration 

1457
01:07:00,010 --> 01:07:02,900
for the agricultural use water or or 

1458
01:07:02,900 --> 01:07:06,090
purchase uh , land adjacent to the 

1459
01:07:06,100 --> 01:07:09,800
or adjacent to a military installation 

1460
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,880
under the India aid provision . So 

1461
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:14,713
there has been some implementing 

1462
01:07:14,713 --> 01:07:18,670
guidance . Um um and 

1463
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:22,250
we have to carry when the 

1464
01:07:22,250 --> 01:07:24,417
criterias make and package will be put 

1465
01:07:24,417 --> 01:07:28,350
together to , um mhm have d o d 

1466
01:07:28,350 --> 01:07:30,980
considerate and approving or not 

1467
01:07:30,990 --> 01:07:33,046
approving . But , um , there is some 

1468
01:07:33,046 --> 01:07:35,157
implementing guidance , not on all of 

1469
01:07:35,157 --> 01:07:37,434
the sections of the N d . A . But on 3 . 

1470
01:07:37,434 --> 01:07:40,400
43 3 44 there has been some guidance . 

1471
01:07:41,180 --> 01:07:43,347
Yeah , I understand . And I definitely 

1472
01:07:43,347 --> 01:07:45,347
understand that you all are working 

1473
01:07:45,347 --> 01:07:47,624
within the guidelines of of , you know , 

1474
01:07:47,624 --> 01:07:49,680
the parameters that you have to work 

1475
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:49,290
with . And , uh , you know , I think 

1476
01:07:49,290 --> 01:07:51,346
most of the folks on the on the call 

1477
01:07:51,346 --> 01:07:53,401
have reviewed the guidance and , you 

1478
01:07:53,401 --> 01:07:56,900
know , perhaps viewed as a big couched 

1479
01:07:56,910 --> 01:07:59,310
in , you know , well , if the FDA 

1480
01:07:59,310 --> 01:08:01,750
doesn't consider it a toxic substance 

1481
01:08:01,750 --> 01:08:03,583
or if the FDA , you know , e p a 

1482
01:08:03,583 --> 01:08:05,806
doesn't consider it , I think there's a 

1483
01:08:05,806 --> 01:08:07,583
lot of stipulations within that 

1484
01:08:07,583 --> 01:08:10,630
guidance that enables in action . And , 

1485
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,696
you know , just from a congressional 

1486
01:08:12,696 --> 01:08:15,029
standpoint , you know , we are pursuing , 

1487
01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:17,580
uh , you know , cooperation with the 

1488
01:08:17,590 --> 01:08:19,146
incoming administer the new 

1489
01:08:19,146 --> 01:08:22,470
administration to understand the the 

1490
01:08:22,470 --> 01:08:24,692
realm of the possible to move forward . 

1491
01:08:24,692 --> 01:08:26,526
So I guess it was just a broader 

1492
01:08:26,526 --> 01:08:28,637
question on whether or not you've had 

1493
01:08:28,637 --> 01:08:30,748
other than regular communication with 

1494
01:08:30,748 --> 01:08:33,081
the new administration . It sounds like , 

1495
01:08:33,081 --> 01:08:35,370
you know , regular ongoing , yes , but 

1496
01:08:35,370 --> 01:08:37,890
not any new guidance . So I appreciate 

1497
01:08:37,890 --> 01:08:40,180
the clarification and look forward to 

1498
01:08:40,180 --> 01:08:41,180
working with the 

1499
01:08:44,970 --> 01:08:47,026
Thank you for the question , Misty . 

1500
01:08:47,026 --> 01:08:49,750
How are we looking on question , Mr . 

1501
01:08:49,750 --> 01:08:52,230
Kincaid , this is avocado . We we have 

1502
01:08:52,230 --> 01:08:54,174
one more from art stop of Highland 

1503
01:08:54,174 --> 01:08:56,260
Dairy . Um , he is referencing 

1504
01:08:56,270 --> 01:08:59,090
contamination of farm wells being parts 

1505
01:08:59,090 --> 01:09:00,868
per trillion . 15,000 parts per 

1506
01:09:00,868 --> 01:09:03,034
trillion . Excuse me . Um , and he was 

1507
01:09:03,034 --> 01:09:05,201
asking about supplied filters , or why 

1508
01:09:05,201 --> 01:09:07,090
have filters not been supplied to 

1509
01:09:07,090 --> 01:09:09,312
spread to stop the spread of P . Boss , 

1510
01:09:15,870 --> 01:09:18,500
That goes back to , you know , we just 

1511
01:09:18,510 --> 01:09:20,900
that goes back to the NBA provision 

1512
01:09:20,900 --> 01:09:24,650
because the focus up until the 

1513
01:09:24,650 --> 01:09:28,600
India , uh , sections that have been 

1514
01:09:28,610 --> 01:09:31,050
promulgated was drinking water . And 

1515
01:09:31,050 --> 01:09:33,272
now now there's discretionary authority 

1516
01:09:33,272 --> 01:09:36,320
to address agricultural water , and 

1517
01:09:36,330 --> 01:09:39,630
that criteria has to be met before the 

1518
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:43,370
Air Force can do that . Um , one of 

1519
01:09:43,370 --> 01:09:47,200
those criteria , as Mr you can 

1520
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:51,120
just reference was , um , you know , 

1521
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:55,010
has the U S . Uh huh . Uh , FDA 

1522
01:09:55,010 --> 01:09:57,690
issued standards for , um , 

1523
01:09:58,570 --> 01:10:01,570
P force levels in , uh , raw 

1524
01:10:01,570 --> 01:10:04,510
commodities and food commodities and , 

1525
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,830
uh , milk another at different 

1526
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:10,100
criteria . It's either meeting one or 

1527
01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:12,980
the other is is assessment of risk , 

1528
01:10:12,990 --> 01:10:15,420
which is what we're doing . We'll be 

1529
01:10:15,420 --> 01:10:18,780
doing , uh , as we continue down in a 

1530
01:10:18,780 --> 01:10:19,891
circle of process . 

1531
01:10:27,660 --> 01:10:30,660
So to briefly answer Mr Scott's 

1532
01:10:30,670 --> 01:10:32,940
question , the filters haven't been in 

1533
01:10:32,940 --> 01:10:35,150
place because we don't have the 

1534
01:10:35,150 --> 01:10:37,240
authority to do that yet . There's 

1535
01:10:37,340 --> 01:10:40,190
criteria that has to be met before we 

1536
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,470
are can consider doing that ? 

1537
01:10:54,860 --> 01:10:57,960
I note that , Mr . Shop , I think has a 

1538
01:10:57,970 --> 01:11:00,940
follow on to that . John . Let me see 

1539
01:11:00,940 --> 01:11:03,920
if I can find it here . Says people 

1540
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:05,920
drink milk . Why can you not supply 

1541
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,790
filters for ag water ? The cow water . 

1542
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,093
Well , I think I'd answer that question . 

1543
01:11:20,460 --> 01:11:21,380
All right . 

1544
01:11:24,460 --> 01:11:28,250
Okay . Um , folks , it is seven . 

1545
01:11:28,250 --> 01:11:31,960
Very sorry . It's 6 15 year time . So 

1546
01:11:31,970 --> 01:11:34,480
are there other questions 

1547
01:11:35,860 --> 01:11:36,580
or common ? 

1548
01:11:43,260 --> 01:11:45,427
Mr . Kincaid , at this point in time , 

1549
01:11:45,427 --> 01:11:47,260
it doesn't appear to be any more 

1550
01:11:47,260 --> 01:11:50,480
questions . Okay , So , Chris , did you 

1551
01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:54,060
have any closing comments ? Yeah . 

1552
01:11:54,460 --> 01:11:56,210
Just to say that Thank you for 

1553
01:11:56,210 --> 01:11:59,140
everyone's participation and joining 

1554
01:11:59,140 --> 01:12:01,251
this meeting . And we definitely look 

1555
01:12:01,251 --> 01:12:03,362
forward to all the future meetings to 

1556
01:12:03,362 --> 01:12:06,430
come and again as we gather more 

1557
01:12:06,430 --> 01:12:08,152
information will be sharing it 

1558
01:12:08,152 --> 01:12:10,263
throughout these and working with the 

1559
01:12:10,263 --> 01:12:12,486
whole government and trying to bring in 

1560
01:12:12,486 --> 01:12:15,000
other agencies to get questions 

1561
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,770
answered that you may have so thank you 

1562
01:12:17,770 --> 01:12:21,400
again . And we appreciate it . My ask 

1563
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,880
one quick follow up question . Just 

1564
01:12:24,250 --> 01:12:27,940
It's real simple . You say that 

1565
01:12:27,950 --> 01:12:31,380
the , uh , you had discretionary 

1566
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:35,040
authority for agriculture , and it 

1567
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,850
needs to be process through the circle . 

1568
01:12:37,860 --> 01:12:39,193
Is that what you said ? 

1569
01:12:41,950 --> 01:12:45,840
Um um they're 

1570
01:12:45,850 --> 01:12:48,530
the India provision . Authorizes the 

1571
01:12:48,530 --> 01:12:50,760
service to you . Gives them the 

1572
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:52,871
discretion . Doesn't direct that they 

1573
01:12:52,871 --> 01:12:54,982
have to do this . That gives them the 

1574
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:58,670
the discretion to use operation and 

1575
01:12:58,670 --> 01:13:02,610
maintenance funds . Um , uh , to 

1576
01:13:02,620 --> 01:13:05,560
to address agricultural use water . And 

1577
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,616
then ? And then there's , you know , 

1578
01:13:07,616 --> 01:13:09,560
parameters that must be met before 

1579
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:12,600
that's done . It doesn't say you must 

1580
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,960
do this . It says you may . And then 

1581
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,182
there's and then offices . Secretary of 

1582
01:13:17,182 --> 01:13:19,680
Defense has issued implementation gains 

1583
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:23,270
on and how to , uh , you know , 

1584
01:13:23,950 --> 01:13:26,580
what does that mean ? How do we , uh , 

1585
01:13:27,050 --> 01:13:30,050
how do we go about , um , addressing 

1586
01:13:30,050 --> 01:13:33,980
agricultural use water ? Oh , 

1587
01:13:34,450 --> 01:13:35,506
Okay . Thank you . 

1588
01:13:40,050 --> 01:13:43,570
All right with that , then we will wind 

1589
01:13:43,570 --> 01:13:45,570
this down . Folks , I would like to 

1590
01:13:45,570 --> 01:13:47,681
remind you that this information will 

1591
01:13:47,681 --> 01:13:49,970
be available in the canon website and 

1592
01:13:49,970 --> 01:13:52,026
again also on the aft deck website . 

1593
01:13:52,026 --> 01:13:54,081
You will find more information about 

1594
01:13:54,081 --> 01:13:56,081
what the air Force is doing for PFS 

1595
01:13:56,081 --> 01:13:58,414
people and some of these questions , uh , 

1596
01:13:58,414 --> 01:14:00,581
there will be in the f a . Q s on both 

1597
01:14:00,581 --> 01:14:03,110
of those sites , but also the one of 

1598
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:05,054
the great values of these meetings 

1599
01:14:05,054 --> 01:14:07,740
which we plan to hold quarterly is that 

1600
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:09,806
not only do we get an opportunity to 

1601
01:14:09,806 --> 01:14:11,750
give you information based on what 

1602
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:13,694
we're at in this project and where 

1603
01:14:13,694 --> 01:14:15,639
we're going , but also to find out 

1604
01:14:15,639 --> 01:14:17,472
those issues that are critically 

1605
01:14:17,472 --> 01:14:19,361
important to you ? I believe that 

1606
01:14:19,361 --> 01:14:19,190
tonight has been eye opening . We've 

1607
01:14:19,190 --> 01:14:22,140
taken away some good information and we 

1608
01:14:22,140 --> 01:14:24,480
will continue to dig into these answers 

1609
01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:26,480
for you . So they will give you the 

1610
01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:28,702
complete answers that you need that you 

1611
01:14:28,702 --> 01:14:31,670
want . I encourage you to look on 

1612
01:14:31,670 --> 01:14:35,090
the Power Point presentation for the 

1613
01:14:35,090 --> 01:14:37,580
contact references on there and use 

1614
01:14:37,580 --> 01:14:39,802
those . If you have any other questions 

1615
01:14:39,802 --> 01:14:41,910
for us , we'll be glad to respond to 

1616
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:44,290
you offline . You can call or email . 

1617
01:14:44,300 --> 01:14:47,060
We're happy to talk to you at any time . 

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So with that , on behalf of the Cannon 

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teen and the Air Force Civil Engineer 

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Center team and a f i M s c . Thank you 

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for your time and we will see you in 

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about three months . I appreciate it .