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are , uh , you know ,

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committed partners in this endeavor to

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really help level the information and

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make sure that we are responsive to the

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community that not just we don't just

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live near , but we're also part of that

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community with , uh , you know , 6000

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folks that work on the base , uh ,

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14,500 or so who are affiliated

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with the base were tightly integrated

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with the Clovis and Port Alice

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communities . Uh , and you know , just

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a personal note that my house is on the

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installation and we have 1000 families

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that live here on the installation .

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And so this this isn't just an academic

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or something that we think applies

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outside the fence line To us , this is

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something that we are also interested

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in as as residents and community

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members here . So we're all sort of in

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this together . And I appreciate

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everyone who's shown continued interest

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and particularly the patients that that

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you've shown with being able to get to

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a forum like this . We're now going

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forward quarterly . We expect to be

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able to provide some updates on

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progress . And so I just want to say

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thanks again . We do appreciate it . Uh ,

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and with that , I'll pause there , and

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we can turn it over to , uh , back over

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to Mark if you're gonna go over to the

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mayor . Thank you . Thank you , sir .

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Yes , I would like to turn it over to

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Mayor Morris for smoking comments from

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the community . Thank you , Mr

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Kincaid and Colonel Mastitis and , uh ,

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all of our friends out of cannon . Good

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afternoon . I'd certainly like to to

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echo kernel messages , comments The

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folks that cannon are truly our

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neighbors . We enjoy a wonderful

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partnership and and enjoy a spirit of

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fact of good neighborhood with with our

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friends and family out of a cannon .

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And , um , I appreciate the comments .

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Colonel Mastitis also would like to

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think the Air Force public affairs and

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check . Just thank you in advance for

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this presentation . Uh , you know ,

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here in the local community , the

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people s p F . O . A . Situation is of

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great concern , and so we're grateful

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to have the opportunity to have

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questions asked and answered and hear

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an update from you this evening , and

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we certainly thank you for this .

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Appreciate it .

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Thank you , Mayor Morris . Before we

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get into the agenda , I want to point

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out that much of this information is

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going to be available on the Canon

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public Web page . Canon dot af dot mil .

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It's also available on the AFT Check

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Public Web page check dot af dot mil .

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I believe we'll be posting this

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presentation after the event and as

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well as some F A . Q s . I would also

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ask you to look at the aft deck page

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because there is a very large amount of

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information about the Air Force's

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response to people's people in general ,

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so you can see what we're doing across

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the entire enterprise as we get into

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this before we talk about the agenda ,

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I'd like to point out that we are .

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Obviously we have . We're joined by

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community members , the mayor , the

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colonel , uh , the representatives of

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Clovis , New Mexico . Our Environmental

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Protection Agency partners . New Mexico

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Environmental Department is here . We

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have folks from also from at FMC .

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More folks from aft check that you

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shake a stick at and the Cannon Air

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Force Base representation . We have a

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large number of folks that are are

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standing by to help out one of the

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things that's been mentioned twice

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already . mentioned by both the mayor

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and the colonel is that we are members

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of the community and you'll see this

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slide in a moment is talking about the

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message is that we really want you to

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walk away with . We are members of this

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community . We share your concerns and

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the Air Force is taking aggressive

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action to respond to this issue because

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we are members of the community and

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because we share those concerns , our

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first priority is addressing drinking

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water and the risk to drinking water .

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And we're doing that and then we're

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moving forward with our remedial

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actions and continuing through the

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circle of process . It's important to

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understand that it is a process driven

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by circle , and Chris will talk a

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little bit about that during his

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presentation . And finally , we

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understand your concerns are very broad

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and we want to point out that we are

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working to resolve this issue . But it

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is a whole of government approach .

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That means that we are seeking

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partnership from our government

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partners , other federal agencies ,

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estate , the community and we are

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working in partnership with them .

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Together we will resolve this issue .

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We've made some great progress and

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Chris is going to walk us through that

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If we look at the agenda slide , you

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can see what we're going to talk about

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today . We've just done the

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introductions , Krystle . Walking

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through what ? What is PIF ? Awesome

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people . If you don't know , you're

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about to find out and you're going to

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find out that for flu related compounds

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in general are ubiquitous , that means

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they are very common . And we'll tell

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you what what we're doing with the

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authorities that we're using to address

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P files and people will explain what is

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circle because you're going to hear

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that a lot . The Department of Air

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Force's strategy to how we're

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addressing this issue . We'll touch on

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the whole of government approach again .

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Then we'll get into details about our

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investigations and our response actions ,

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the upcoming or the ongoing remedial

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investigation . And then Chris has some

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additional information what we're going

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to be doing going forward and we'll

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touch base on our Restoration advisory

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board solicitation . Once again , I

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want to remind you , please feel free

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to enter your questions in the chat box ,

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will capture those , and then afterward

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will be glad to take and answer any

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other questions you may have . And

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please leave your microphones on you .

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With that , I will turn it over to the

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restoration Project manager for this

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project , Mr Christopher Kirky .

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Mhm .

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Good evening . My name is Christopher

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Jerky . I'm the remedial project

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manager here at Cannon Air Force Base .

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I work for the Air Force Civil Engineer

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Center . So I'm gonna turn off my video

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just to say Ban with . So to

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start this out , I'd like to provide

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everybody with a little bit of

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background and to just describe what is

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pitfalls . Befo Uh um , they're

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synthetically fluoridated compounds

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that are found in many of the

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industrial and consumer products that

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we have today . But specifically , what

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we're going to discuss today is the

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acquis film forming foam shortly known

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as a trip left . So in the 19 seventies ,

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the Air Force began using a trip left

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because it meant the military's

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specification requirements , as it's

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one of the most efficient extinguishing

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methods for petroleum based fires , and

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it's also widely used across the

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firefighting industries Today . Later

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in 2000 and nine , the Environmental

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Protection Agency issued a health

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advisory for P . Fossen people and

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drinking water and then Later , in 2016 ,

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they issued a lifetime health advisory

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of the 70 parts per trillion for P .

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Fossen people combined and drinking

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water . Now to kind of put that into

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some context , a part per million . If

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you can imagine what an Olympic sized

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swimming pool is , one drop of water in

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that Olympic size swimming pool would

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be the equivalent of one part per

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trillion . So with that 70

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parts per trillion that's going to take

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us over into what our existing P foster

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people authorities are . And to be

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quite honest right now , there's not a

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lot of guidance and authorities

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regarding P Pfosten people . Except for

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that the EPA recommends but does not

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mandate that we take action for human

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drinking water . Above that 70 parts

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per trillion now circle to which is our

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Comprehensive Environmental Response

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Compensation and Liability Act , does

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allow the department offense to address

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emerging contaminants . We have the

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Office of Secretary of Defense that is

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currently implementing guidance that

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was put out in the National Defense

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Authorization Act . And then there's

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limited guidance that's been put out by

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the Food and Drug Administration and

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the Environmental Protection Agency

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with regards to consuming agricultural

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products and other exposure pathways .

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So with this , these are kind of our

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constraints and limitations that we

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have with addressing P false . Because

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so , as Mark said , you know , with the

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70 parts per trillion health and

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lifetime health advisory and the

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drinking water that has been the Air

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Force's focuses the drinking water for

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human consumption . Mhm .

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Okay . With that , this slide is more

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just kind of an informational purposes .

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It's going to be our jumping off point

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to the rest of this presentation . Uh ,

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this is the process by which the Air

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Force is following . So circle again is

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that comprehensive Environmental

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Response Compensation and Liability Act

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is a framework by which the Air Force

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can investigate and determine

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the emerging contaminants potential

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plume that we have here at Cannon Air

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Force Base . And it provides us this

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framework , which I'll go into more in

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depth . But the parts that we've gone

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through so far is the preliminary

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assessment . We've gone through the

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side assessment and we're proceeding

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into the remedial investigation , which

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I'll go in more depth here in just a

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little bit

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now . With that again , the department ,

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the Air Force's strategy again has been

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the mitigation of drinking water

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exposure as we have that lifetime

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health advisory of the 70 parts per

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trillion for PIF awesome people and

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drinking water . They've also been

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looking at revising firefighting

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operations and continuing gathering

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data and anticipation of future

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standards being established . Um ,

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again , with the whole government

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approach working with other entities

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and with these meetings in the future ,

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we're hoping to bring in other entities

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that will be able to answer questions

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for the public and get the information

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that you require . Were also

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participating in health studies with

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the excuse me , the Agency for Toxic

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Substances and Disease Registry and

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then the D . O . D . Is funding

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cleaning up technology and research and

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development . Yeah , so what ?

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That I would like to do just a brief

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overview of what we've done

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investigations to date . And so the

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first part of that circle of processes

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the preliminary assessment and what

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that is is . It's a data mining process

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where your we go out and we gather data .

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We research documentation , we do

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interviews with personnel , and it's to

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determine whether these sites on the

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base have ever had potential releases

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of this . A triple F here on base .

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So after doing all of this research and

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documentation , we have determined that

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there were sites that needed to move

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forward through to the site

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investigation phase . And so we

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continued on to that process during the

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site investigation phase . What the

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purpose of that is is to consider

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confirm the presence or absence of any

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contamination . So we're not

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determining what the plume is , but

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it's simply determining whether or not

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there was an actual release . So

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through this stage of it , it was

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determined that there was actual

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releases of a triple F , and after

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that it was determined that we needed

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to do an additional expanded site

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investigation , which took us off base

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to determine if there was any presence

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or absence of releases off base . And

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so through this , there was 25 degrees ,

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discreet water samples that were

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attained off base and that 25 was

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determined based on going through the

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states , um ,

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going through different means by going

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out to the local community and based on

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our water pathways and going by the

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EPA's method of four miles within the

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borders of our based in determining

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any drinking water wells

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determined that there was 25 potential

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locations and we sampled those . And of

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those 25 we had three exceed Ince's of

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the lifetime health advisory to that

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were below , and then the rest were non

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detect . And with that , that's going

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to take us into what response actions

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that we've done today . And so with

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that , everyone that we took sampling

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of was notified of the results and then

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the ones that exceeded the lifetime

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health advisory . We provided alternate

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drinking water to the impacted users ,

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and then we're currently working with

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them to install point of use filtration

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system . So that is our long term

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solution for alternate drinking water

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is the filtration systems . Now The Air

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Force wide back to looking at different

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firefighting mechanisms have replaced

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the old C eight , a triple F legacy

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fire suppression for firefighting foam

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throughout all firefighting suppression

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systems and their firefighting trucks .

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And in the heck hangars , this is a

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more environmentally friendly with the

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it's a smaller C six carbon chain

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versus the longer C eight carbon change

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that they have . The other thing that

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they've done is change their training

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exercise where they have gone to not

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using a triple F and using only a

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travel club for real world scenarios .

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And with that , when it is used for

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aware world scenario , they make sure

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that they containerized it and dispose

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of it in accordance with proper

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regulations .

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So now I want to take us to where we're

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at currently . So we've completed the

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preliminary assessment . We've gone

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through the site investigation and now

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we've moved forward to the remedial

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investigation and this is the point in

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the investigation . We're going to go

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out there and determine what that

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nature and extent , and this is where

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most people talk about what the plan is

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and where it's migrating , and so this

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is a critical step in the process

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towards that long term solution . So

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there's going to be a significant

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amount of effort going into this where

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we will be going on base and off base

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and installing both ground well .

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Monitoring will be doing additional

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samplings , soul boring groundwater

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sampling . The

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initial portion of this will be about

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70% of the work will be done upfront ,

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with an additional 30% held back

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afterwards , and the reason for this is

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is as we're going determine that nature

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and extent we want to have the ability

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to do these step out sampling . So that

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way we can fully capture and determine

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what this nature and extent of the

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impact is both on and off base .

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Now , with that , the first portion of

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the remedial investigation is

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development of a comprehensive work

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plan . And before any work can be

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completed , it must be the work plan

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must be completed and approved . Now ,

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with this , tentatively , we're looking

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at September 21st for it to be

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completed and approved . We're working

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expeditiously to try to advance this as

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quickly as possible to maybe get this

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done sooner . But right now , this is

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the tentative work schedule that is

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been put in place . After that , we

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will go to boots on the ground so we'll

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have our contractors coming out and

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starting the actual work . And this is

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the point here where we need to support

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and the help of the community as a

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whole , because this is where we will

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be going out and potentially coming in

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and needing access to private

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properties or some of the local

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businesses in order to take some

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samples or potential , um ,

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installation of groundwater monitoring

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wells . Now , that being said , they're

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not going to be placed in some place

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that would disturb your process . We

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will be able to work with you on that .

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But having your support and getting

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access agreement signed will be a

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tremendous help in pushing this process

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forward . So that way we can determine

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this because as we're gathering this

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data throughout this process , this is

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the information that's going to help us

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look at . If there is any potential and

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are measures that could be put in place

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and then ultimately down the road , as

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there are promulgated standards come

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out . And as we gather and know what

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this full plume looks like , this will

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go into what the remediation efforts

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that we can put in place to address

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these concerns .

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And as we go through this process ,

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this is the point of these quarterly

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meetings . Each quarterly meeting ,

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I'll be giving an update as to where

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we're at in this process , what

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information that we have and giving

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this information out . So that way I

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can keep the public updated because

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again , I'm a member of the community

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here . I live here my family's here and

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friends . So I've I've invested

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interest to push this project and make

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sure that we get good data and develop

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a good working plan to move forward on

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this . Okay , so with that ,

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you know , as I was talking about the

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preliminary assessment , the site

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assessment and all of these different

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things , I only gave a brief overview .

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But if you would like any additional

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information on it , you can go out to

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the aft deck administrative record .

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The website is here . When you go out

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there , it will ask you to continue to

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cite . You'll click on that you're on

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the left hand side , you will go down

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and slept Cannon Air Force Base . And

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at that point , you can enter any of

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these administrative record numbers

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into it , and it'll pull up the full

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documents that you can review at your

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leisure . And then , as Mark said ,

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also , we have the AFC Excite here that

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has additional information regarding

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the faucet people . Mhm . Now , with

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that going forward again , we're going

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to continue to communicate and bring

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progress reports to you as we're going

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through this remedial investigation .

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That's what the point of these meetings

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are going forward is to open

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communications with the public and make

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sure that we have both question and

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answer sessions and we give you the

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information that you need . And again ,

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with that whole government approach ,

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it's going to be bringing in other

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entities . So that way we can get the

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correct experts and here that will be

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able to answer the questions that you

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may have and for us we're going to

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continue to follow this circle process .

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It is the process that we have by which

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we can address these concerns in

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progress forward for this investigation ,

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we're going to continue to aggressively

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collect data and respond to standards

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as they are developed now the

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last thing I would like to touch on is

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the Restoration Advisory Board . Now

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this is separate from these meetings ,

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but I wanted to just take a chance to

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tell everybody about it . We currently

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have a ongoing solicitation of interest .

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It started on February 17th . Now the

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Restoration Advisory Board is aboard

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that covers all environmental

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restoration activities . It's not

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specific to one , um , certain area or

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one site or one topic . It covers

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everything , but if you have any other

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questions or comments and concerns .

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You can email this address that's right

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here or additional information .

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There's the rap handbook and some

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common facts about it that can be found

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at this Web address right here . The

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comment period is 45 days going from

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February 17 through April 3rd .

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And so with that , I will turn it over

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to Mr Mark Kincaid .

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Thank you , Chris . As we said earlier ,

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we're going to now turn to our

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questions , and we're going to begin

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with the questions that we may have

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captured on the chat function . So I

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will turn it over to Misty or Captain

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Chado . Do we have any questions out

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there

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at this time ? No , sir , but we can

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definitely open it up to individual

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users to ask verbally . Great . That

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sounds good . So , folks , if you have

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a question , please feel free to come

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up on Mike and just let us know what

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your question is . And remember to go

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back on mute afterwards .

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Hello ? This is Constance Williams with

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Senator Benry , Luann's office . I just

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had one question with regards to the

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RAB . How many environmental

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restoration issues have you already

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identified ?

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Mhm . Yeah . Can you clarify that a

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little bit ? I mean , yes , sir .

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Essentially , how many ? Um , of the

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restoration . Uh , issues on Cannon Air

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Force Base have already been identified

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in addition to P Fost and Piccola . Um ,

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for , you know , with regards to the

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how much activity like the restoration

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advisory Board participants might be

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looking at , is it Are there , You know ,

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three issues are that have already been

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identified or just p focus is the main

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one , or , you know , have you already

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pre identified issues ? Well , with

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regards to that , we have an extensive

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amount of sites that are currently on

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our require a permit . Um , they have a

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wide range now . None of them are

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currently impacting the ground water ,

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but they're just there is . It is a

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wide portfolio . There are a lot of

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legacy sites that we currently manage

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and oversee . Um , right now , the and

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that's why we kind of started these

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meetings is because we believe that

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this is the most targeted method . In

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order to get the information that the

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public is wanting , we've heard the ,

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um , the request for more p Foss people

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information . And in order to address

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that , we feel that these meetings

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right here were the best way to get

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that for them . And so that's why we

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started this . Now , you know , with

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the rap solicitation where we have an

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ongoing so as people , if they have any

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interest in it , they can solicit or

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email in that , and we'll look at it .

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And because if there is an interest in

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the entire restoration portfolio , by

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all means , we would be willing to set

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that restoration by Emery board up .

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Thank you very much .

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Uh huh . This is Walter Bradley .

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May I ask the question ?

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Yes , sir . Yes , sir . Go right in .

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Thank you . Uh , I currently represent

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the Dairy Farmers of America and were

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vitally concerned due to the

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contamination of one of our dairies and

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and the surrounding agriculture crop ,

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uh , fields that are adjacent to a

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cannon Air Force base . Our number one

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concern right now . And Mr Marketing ,

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if you can answer it would be great .

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We're very concerned about the flow of

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this bloom and the speed because down

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stream of what we believe is the flow .

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We have a number of other dairies and a

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number of businesses that are very

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concerned about how this may flow and

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how quick it might be hitting it . So

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do you have an idea in your plan as to

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when we would ? It seems like that

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would be one of the first things you'd

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want to find out . Uh , is the

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investigation of that survey to

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identify that flow and speed ?

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Well , thank you for your question

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there , sir . And that is part of the

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remedial investigation process

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following that circle of framework .

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And so that is going to be part of the

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investigation is to determine what that

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what that plume looks like and

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determine what that flow rate is . So

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as we get that data , that's something

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that I'll be able to share with you in

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these meetings . Um , like I said , it

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should be October of 21 . So later this

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year , they'll actually have boots on

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the ground , and we'll start taking

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samples , and we'll be able to start

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getting better picture of what that

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looks like . Uh huh .

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So , October of 21 is a target

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date for you to start that

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investigation . Is that correct , sir ?

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Yes , sir . Okay . All right . Thank

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you , sir . Yeah ,

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well , Mr Gorky we have a question

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in the chat room . Besides the real

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world scenarios , you mentioned where

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the foam is used or was used . Please

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name all the other reasons P four and P

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poem may have been used in the past .

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No . Yeah ,

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yeah . Hey , Chris , this is Mark . Um ,

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I think if I read the question , if I

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hear the question right , are you

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asking about the use of pitfalls people

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by the Air Force or are you asking

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about for chlorinated compounds In

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general , the Air Force , The pitfalls .

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People were components of a triple F

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block with film forming foam . Uh , and

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it was used in Oculus film forming foam .

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That's the only use that I'm aware of

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that we had for it . But fluoridated

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compounds PFS are common in a

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lot of products . Commercial products

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as well as industrial products . And so

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forth is the extensive use . Chris , do

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you have anything to add to that a mile

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track with that answer ?

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Yeah . The individual asking the

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question just wanted more

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clarifications on other reasons as to

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why the Air Force would have used the

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Foss phone . Yeah , so again , it was

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it was the foam uh , so obvious film

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forming foam that had chlorinated

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compounds in it is extraordinarily

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efficient . It was also approved . It

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hasn't approved mills back . So all of

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the services used at the FAA used it .

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Um , it is very efficient . Very

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effective at controlling petroleum

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based fires . Number one priority is to

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save lives . So if we had an aircraft

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accident or an incident , uh , the

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foam is very responsive , very

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effective , and were able to prevent

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loss of life That also helps minimize

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damage again . It met mil specs that

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were established by the Department of

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Defense and was in the d o d inventory

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since the 19 seventies . I hope that

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answered the question . If you need

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further clarification , let us know .

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Mr . Kincaid . Mr . Jerky , we have

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another question from the chat . Um ,

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this is from South Martin Curry ,

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County Commissioner . When will the

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agricultural aspect of the damage down

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from the preface be addressed ?

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Yeah ,

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So I don't know if we've lost Chris .

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Have we lost you there or

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No , I'm still here . Um , I guess ,

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um , trying to make sure I understand

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the correct the question correctly . Um ,

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because you know , for right now what

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the what the air Force is doing is

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following the circle process to

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determine that nature and extent of the

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pain and determine what that a trip

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left . Impact is off base . So that is

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our first and main goal with this

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investigation . And like I said , that

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will help determine what remedial

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actions that we have that we we'll be

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able to put in place

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in the future . Uh huh .

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I'm not sure if that answers the

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question or not .

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Do we have any other questions ?

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We do have some hands raised , sir . Um ,

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I believe , Mr . And would you like to

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go next ?

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Thank you . Mhm . Sorry it was .

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Or is it my opportunity to speak ?

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Sure . Thank you . My name is John Kern .

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I'm the executive director of a

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nonprofit here in New Mexico called the

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Clean Water Partnership at Cannon ,

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where community based organization

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that's dedicated to trying to work with

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the military and community leaders to

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find solutions for this , uh ,

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endemic problem . Um ,

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the sort of cold and detached nature of

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a 4 to 5 year inquiry

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that the circular process

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gives license to here is

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is , I think , very startling to

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probably most people on the telephone

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on the call today . The idea that the

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Air Force is willing to wait until 2025

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before it implements any responses .

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Any meaningful responses , Um , in a

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situation where we know for a fact

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based on evidence that the plume

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is traveling at a rate of between a

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quarter of a mile per year and half a

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mile per year rather than the 50 ft

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per year , which is the normal

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circumstance , where you do not have an

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aquifer transiting these molecules

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underground but a quarter of a mile to

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half a mile per year . So what we're

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hearing is that sort of standing

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behind this long term circle process

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that the Air Force is willing to let

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this go on . For another , let's say

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two miles of transmission .

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Let's say now we have at least 10,000

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acres under which this

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water exists . This contaminated water

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exists . By that time , it may be

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25,000 acres or 40,000

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acres , and that that seems to be

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just acceptable to the program

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manager is very shocking , frankly

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speaking , and we , I think , would

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like to find a way to take

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advantage of the testing , which is on

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the books The State of New Mexico .

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Past two pieces of legislation last

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year one was to spend a million dollars

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on testing of water , much of it in

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Curry County , and another bill to

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spend $100,000 . And the million

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dollars is for the municipal water

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system testing and an additional

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$100,000 on testing of , well , water

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private well water in the affected

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areas . But perhaps it's because of

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ongoing litigation between the state of

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New Mexico and the Air Force . There is ,

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I hear zero cooperation for the benefit

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of the residents of Clovis , Port ,

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Alice , Curry County and Roosevelt

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County . And I would ask that

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the leadership of the airbase consider

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modifying this circle of model to take

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advantage of empirical evidence , which

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is available to them to get after this

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problem sooner rather than later . If

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you can comment on that , I'd

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appreciate that . And then I have a

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follow up question , and , uh , I'd

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like to ask , if possible , Chris , if

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you don't mind , I'd like to ask Chris

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Segura . If you would like to offer

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some thoughts on that , Chris has got

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some some information . I believe that

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might be helpful . Christie available .

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You may be a mute Chris ,

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so he has no mike . I'm seeing that

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note there . Chris Gorky . Can you take

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it ? Yes , so thank you for your

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comments . And as the Air Force , we

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are following the circle process . And

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it's not that we're hiding behind

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anything . We spend taxpayers dollars ,

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and we have to follow a certain

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acquisition process , which drives us

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to follow this circle process as we

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talked about earlier . There's certain

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constraints , as there's no promulgated

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standards currently out there for both

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the faucet people , but only the

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lifetime health advisory of the 70

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parts per trillion . But circle it does

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offer us the framework to address

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emerging contaminants . So that's why

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we've been aggressively going through

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the circle of process . And we are one

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of the 1st 10 bases to be awarded the

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Ri . And as I stated to that , we will

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be doing work out in the field later

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this year , and that's going to help

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drive the data that will get us that

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plume information and we're going to be

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actively reviewing it as we go through

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this process and if there are any times

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that we might be able to implement any

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potential interim measures . We will

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look at that and see if there's any

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means that we can do that . But right

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now we must follow the process that is

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laid out for us . Because that is the

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framework that we have that we can work

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within .

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Yeah . Okay . Well , um ,

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thank you for that . I mean , I would

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suggest that the surplus

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standard is not a prick . Lucid ,

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major . It is one which is designed

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as a minimum . It's the floor . In this

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circumstance , this little community is

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suffering tremendously by a well known

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presence of this PFS in its water , set

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in its water in areas neighboring the

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city and approaching the city's water

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supply . Also approaching the city of

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Port Alice Water supply . And so I

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would ask you to augment or actually

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not asking you . I'm really asking the

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colonel to augment the process to

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respond to what is actually happening

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in this community . I realize there are

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633 different military facilities

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around the country that are impacted by

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be fast from military basis , but none

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more so than Clovis and Canon . None .

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This is the poster child . And to put

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it in the same category as other

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communities is a disservice to this

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community , in my humble opinion . And

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I would also note that the National

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Defense Authorization Act for 2020

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it doesn't leave you with a

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recommendation about what is the

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standard . Section 3 43 a

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two imposes the standard as a matter of

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law on the Air Force on all of the

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Pentagon . It is not , um ,

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suggestive . It is compulsory the 70

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parts per trillion . So I think you

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might want to reconsider the level of

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authority you have to work with here

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because it is It is compulsory . It's a

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matter of federal law as applied to the

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Defense Department uniquely . And

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Congress was right for passing that

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major . The second question I have is

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as to the agricultural standards on

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August 4th of 2020 the Air Force

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Ah , excuse me . The Assistant

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Secretary defense .

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Um , this is W . Jordan Gillis .

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Ah , I guess he works for Miss Sullivan .

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Issued guidance on agricultural water

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treatment . And this ,

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um proclamation , Fourth of August

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2020 . Basically says that the d

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o . D . Does not know what on earth it

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means to have contamination in

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milk as an agricultural commodity . We

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don't know what that means ,

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so they are saying , and I'm not going

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to quote it for you can read it . But

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it basically says until such time as

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these other agencies , including the F

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D A or the U . S . D . A . Develop a

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standard for contamination in a product

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like milk that the Defense Department's

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hands are tied and it's not going to do

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anything to address dairy water .

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No , I have clean water . Partnership

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is organized Freedom of Information Act

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requests and sourced all of the

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data from the USDA Food Safety and

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Inspection Service , as well as the F D

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A and the E P A . And we would very

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much like the opportunity to work with

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you on establishing what is a

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legitimate standard for the treatment

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of agricultural water , which is used

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in the production of milk . It's not a

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mystery , it's not inexplicable . It's

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something that we can work through and

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define . And we would like the

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opportunity to work with you Clean

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Water partnership , working with

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Canon's project managers to illustrate

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and demonstrate that there is a viable

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standard on agricultural water that

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finds its way into dairy . This is

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critical . Right ? And we would very

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much like to work with you on that .

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And I invite you to participate with us

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or give us the opportunity to share

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with you the information from these

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other federal branches . Federal

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agencies which have established the

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connection between P fast and

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agricultural water that works its way

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into the food supply . This is very

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critical to this community's future .

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And I look forward to working with you .

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I hope you'll agree to do so .

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Thank you , Mr Curren , We appreciate

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your comments . We we have Mr Segura

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believe , is able to offer some

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thoughts now , Chris , are you Can you

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hear us ?

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Maybe not .

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Mr . Curran will take your your offer

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to work with the organization . And ,

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uh , I'll tell you what if you'll give

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us some contact information Will be

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glad to get back to you on that . If

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you don't mind , I'll make a couple of

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quick comments . Mark , Um , with

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regard to the n d A . We're still

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waiting for the office Secretary of

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Defense to provide us implementing

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guidance with that . And then again

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with what the air force is

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main concern is is the implement . The

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guidance that we currently have is the

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70 parts per trillion . And so we're

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looking at the our

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our focus has been on the drinking

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water and making sure that we mitigate

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any potential people were

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drinking that water which we have

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severed those pathways and then

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continuing forward with this Sorry and

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determining what that plume is in

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following this process that we have

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because , as I said , you know , being

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a federal entity , we have certain

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constraints and guidelines that we

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must follow because we are spending

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taxpayers dollars . So we have all of

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those requirements that we must follow

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when we're doing these processes .

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Thank you very much for your input .

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And I'll be happy to share my the

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details of our organization . The

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website is actually c WP dash

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canon dot org

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If anyone's interested . Thank you .

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Thank you , sir . Okay . Do we have any

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other questions ? We do ? It looks like

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who else is up here ? Yes , sir . I

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believe Jacob Linda's from the office

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of Senator Heinrich is next .

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Thank you . Can you you hear me ?

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Yes , we can . Awesome . Um , yes .

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Jacob Windows here from , um , from

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Senator Heinrich's office . Um , we

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appreciate you holding these These , uh ,

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this meeting and look forward to the

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quarterly meetings to come here . Um ,

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one follow up question on the interim

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actions that I think Chris just

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mentioned and were also mentioned in

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the November um , briefing or meeting

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that you all held . Um , can you

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outline briefly ? What kind of findings

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along the remedial investigation might

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prompt an interim interim action what

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those actions might be . And , uh ,

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what I would say

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if the

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prompt for one of those actions is a

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say a standard promulgated E

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p A or F or F D A . What ? The how

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quickly that response would would take

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effect . Um , and then I have 11 follow

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up question on the RAB after after this

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question . Thank you , Thank you . So

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with that , it's right now , I don't

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really have an answer for you on that ,

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except for again balance

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circle process .

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And I'm sorry if anybody else is

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getting feedback . I was for a second .

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So it's following that circle process .

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And as we get that data , that's what's

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going to drive it . So in in our field ,

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it's data drives the process . And as

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we get data , we can look at it and

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determine if there are any potential

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interim actions that we could implement .

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So at this time , without having

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started the remedial investigation , I

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don't have a correct answer for you .

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But in future meetings , hopefully we

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will have some information that we can

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share with you and give you more

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clarification on that . Great . Thank

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you . Yeah , I think I think there

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would be wide interest in understanding

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what that interim measure action

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process looks like as the remedial

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investigation get started . Um , my

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follow up question or clarification ?

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Question ? Maybe on the restoration

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advisory board . Um , you know , I was

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taking a look at the the handbook and

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I'm curious , you know , in the

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handbook , it says that a restoration

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advisory board sets out a mission

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statement and goals as one of the first

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undertakings . And that's done kind of

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by consensus . Together , the given

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military installation , plus the

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interested community members , Can you

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clarify maybe the bounds of what that

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mission statement and goals , for

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instance , could the members of the

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Restoration Advisory Board together

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decide to spend 90% of their time

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talking about a P fast related issue

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and 10% of their time focused on other

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environmental restoration issues . Um ,

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I'm seeing in the in the handbook here ,

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you know , specific language around the

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RAB cannot talk about issues other than

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environmental restoration , but I'm not

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necessarily seeing language that

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requires a RAB to address or spend

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equal time say , on the whole suite of

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environmental restoration issues at a

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given installation . Um , thank you for

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that clarification . No problem . And

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and looking through and I don't want to

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spend too much time on the restoration

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advisory board , But thank you for your

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question on that . And there is , um ,

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in the CFR is and with that , it does

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state that and also for us with again

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spending taxpayers dollars that we are

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to cover the entire restoration

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portfolio as a whole in it . It is

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definitely a subject that would be

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brought up . And there is the chief

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awesome portfolio . But we're also

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going to be spending time equally among

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all of the other things . Uh huh . So

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so is that . That's a regulation then

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within the RAB . The

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authority .

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Sorry I get on you . Um , only if you

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would like . We could take this off

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flying . Uh , just these slides will be

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available . And if you email the

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website that are the email address that

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was on the RAB slide , that will come

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to me . And we could have some further

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conversations on this , if you would ,

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if you would like . Yeah , that would

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be great . You know , I think we would

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just like to make sure we understand

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that process fully for for , uh when we

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have questions from our constituents

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here . So thank you . So and again , I

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like to write , you know , when In

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November we had a stakeholders meeting

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and we had state and local

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representatives . We have the base give

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them a status update . And that was one

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of the things that they had shared with

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everyone . Was that the public's

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request for additional information

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regarding what was going on with the

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investigation here at Cannon Air Force

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Base ? And we felt that these quarterly

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meetings we're going to be the best

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means to address that concern because

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we can be very targeted at the P . Foss

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befo , and these will be dedicated

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towards that .

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Thank you

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There . I believe Kathy Elliott is next .

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Hello . Good afternoon . I am with

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Clean Water Partnership of Canon as

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well . And after I was watching Chris

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presentation there , I just had a quick

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question . Chris , Um , one of the

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slides you said , um , you're working

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with them to install drinking water

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filtration systems and locations that

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exceed the lifetime health advisory for

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drinking water . Can you give me a

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definitive number of families that you

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have actually helped install filtration

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systems ? Well , we only had three

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locations that exceeded the lifetime

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health advisory . And so one of the

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locations we are currently working to

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install those at so is that one

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family . It is actually a business .

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The other two locations declined us the

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installation at their

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and okay . There were three to decline ,

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Did they say ? Why ? I'm curious .

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They just declined . Okay . Thank

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you ,

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sir . I believe Matt Miller is next ,

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Um , real quick before we go to the

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next question . Uh , no , Pat

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Leon , I'm sorry if I mispronounced

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that , but I wanted to finalize the

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question that she has asked earlier for

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the reasons for other use of the Oculus

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film forming foam . And that was for

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training uses prior to any health

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advisories coming out . It used to be

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used in training exercises , so I

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wanted to make sure that we circle back

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and answered your question .

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Okay . And this is Matt Miller with

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Congresswoman Ledger Fernandez's office .

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My connections kind of spotty . Can you

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hear me ? Yes , I can . Great . Thanks .

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Thank you for hosting this call . Um ,

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obviously , you're gonna get to a point

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in the circular process here where you

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have to deal with the plume itself . So

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can you tell me what What that's going

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to look like eventually . I mean , do

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you have technology that is just going

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to stop the plume , or do you have

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technology that is going to remove it

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from the ground ? If you can tell me

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what that will actually look like And

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then do you have any sense of how long ?

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Ultimately it will be . Um , by the

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time you you know , you identify

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everything and and then remediate

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mitigate the plume and the whole

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process is done . I can't give you an

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estimated timeline on that . Now , the

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current remedial investigation contract

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we have is a five year contract . But

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going through that process will

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delineate the nature and extent of the

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plume here . There are several

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different types of , um , remediation

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technologies that are out there and

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we'll be looking at based and again ,

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you know , the data drives the program

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here . So as we look at what data we

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get , we will be looking at all the

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different technologies . But , I mean ,

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a general thought process , maybe

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somewhere along the lines of maybe like

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a pump and treat system as we know the

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aquifers around 350 plus feet deep so

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that that could be a possibility . But

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then again , it's going to be based on

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what the data shows us .

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Yeah , Great . Thank you . Appreciate

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it .

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Right ? Can I do a follow up to that

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question , please ? This is Walter

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Bradley . Absolutely . Go ahead .

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Depending on the size and the speed of

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that plume , let's make an assumption

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that it's a moved quite a bit

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away from the blue , the blue area that

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we initially looked at two years ago

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and is rapidly approaching a

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business . And we've got major

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businesses downstream there with that ,

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would that maybe qualify as an

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emergency and set you into a We

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better get after this mode instead of

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the circle of time frame . Is there a

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Is there an emergency outlet situation ?

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Of course . Under your circle of

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guidelines . Mhm .

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Mm . But again ,

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as we're going through this process and

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we're gathering data were continuing

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this process to gather data and

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determine what that plume is . So

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not sure that I I mean ,

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I'm not sure I have an answer for you

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on Maybe if you can rephrase it . I'm

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not sure quite understand it . Sure

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what ? What I'm after is is

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we have businesses , and and And there

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are some residential properties . And ,

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uh , certainly dairies are downstream .

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And if we're about to contaminate , if

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that plume is about to contaminate

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another dairy , would that

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create ? I'm saying it creates a , uh ,

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an emergency situation to go to to , uh ,

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clean up , Um , and immediately

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Is that a possibility that you have a

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the way to do that ? If you have a

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jeopardy ? Well , and I understand what

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you're asking now . So as we're going

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through this process , we will be

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actively looking at all of our data

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that we're gathering . And as we're

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doing that , seeing if there are any

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interim actions that could be

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implemented to potentially address it

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sooner rather than later . Okay .

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Thank you ,

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Captain Charter , Do we have other

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questions in the chat Pop ? We do , sir .

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One moment . Um , we have one Kayleigh

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green It is . I understand the Air

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Force is working on making sure people

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whose water supplies over the L H a r

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first being given alternate drinking

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water infiltration systems . What is

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next for people who have been affected

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by more than just drinking water ? What

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about those who cannot use their land

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for business use anymore , like dairy

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or farming ? Because of the false

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people contamination . For instance ,

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Highland Dairy , which is just a ways

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from Cannon Air Force Base , owned by

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Art Shop , who has had to dump all

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Yeah .

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Oh , Christopher , you can go ahead and

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answer the question , because that was

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the end of it . Yeah .

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Okay . Chris Berkey , this is John

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Macoun . Uh , hang on . Let me turn on

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the camera .

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Our video is not working . I'm John

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McCain . I am an air Force attorney

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that is the legal advisor to the

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cleanup team at Cannon . And to answer

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your question , uh , circle it and

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the the cleanup authorities allow us to

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do the remediation to take action to

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control cleanup . The the

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impact what you're asking about is

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damages , and that is that is a

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separate issue , and that's addressed

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to the claims process . And , if

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necessary , litigation process .

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Inter measures to prevent . Uh huh .

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Impact can be taken along the way , as

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Chris has already said during the

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circle process , but , uh , asking

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about compensation for lost

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value of property or lost product

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and that sort of thing that that's

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addressed to the claims process .

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Thank you , John .

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What else do we have ? Captain Chato .

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Any others ? Mr . Kincaid , this is Mr

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Mercado . The next question we have is

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from Seth Circle A is informally called

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Super Fund . It allows people to clean

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up contaminated sites . It also forces

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the parties responsible for the

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contamination to either perform

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cleanups or reimburse the government

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for e . P . A lead cleanup work . Is

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this true ? And how can the process be

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sped up to incorporate the clean up of

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the groundwater in our aquifer , both

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for drinking and agricultural use .

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So that's a I don't know that . That's

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a question that we're able to answer .

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You're talking about changing the

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circle of processes . Am I ? Am I

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getting that right ?

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I'm reading the question from Mr Seth

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Martin as as typed out . Perhaps if

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he's still on , he can get . Yeah , I'm

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still here to help . Okay , so I

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think y'all have already addressed it .

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This is all data driven . So we're kind

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of at the mercy of the data at this

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time . Uh , it's just when we can

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actually get past the data driven

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process and actually , like you

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mentioned before , get boots on the

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ground and , uh , something actually

01:00:00.246 --> 01:00:03.110
being done to , uh , physically address .

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What's going on ? I just put it on .

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Paper is data . That's the main thing .

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And I think I've gotten what I needed

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from the meeting that that's that's not

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available at this time . We have to go

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through this set in place process . And

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I guess several of us have asked that

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question how to speed it up . It

01:00:21.950 --> 01:00:24.061
doesn't sound like there's a way even

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naming it as a Superfund site . Uh ,

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which would be a negative for Canon

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wouldn't help that at all either . I

01:00:30.566 --> 01:00:32.790
don't believe Mark . Can I jump in ?

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This is John McCain again , uh , naming

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as a Superfund site . Um , with

01:00:40.410 --> 01:00:43.820
wind up bringing the E p a would would

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would be there and there would be an

01:00:45.886 --> 01:00:47.997
agreement on the EPA , and it would ,

01:00:47.997 --> 01:00:50.052
you know , we'd be accomplishing the

01:00:50.052 --> 01:00:52.219
same thing . Right now , the Air Force

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is , uh , doing the doing the cleanup

01:00:54.330 --> 01:00:56.163
with consultation from the state

01:00:56.163 --> 01:00:59.210
federal regulators . And that wouldn't

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change . It would just , um it's not

01:01:02.140 --> 01:01:03.918
necessarily going to accelerate

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anything that there would be time to

01:01:05.973 --> 01:01:08.029
negotiate an agreement and that that

01:01:08.029 --> 01:01:10.029
would have to be put in place . But

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you're still going through the same

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process . And it's driven by federal

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law and regulations . Uh , and you

01:01:16.780 --> 01:01:18.780
have to do the investigations . You

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have to assess risk and then make

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decisions based on risk .

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Thank you . Thank you ,

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John . Uh , Misty . Any more questions ?

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Yes , sir . We have another question

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that came in just wanting clarification

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as to why the investigation is not

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starting until October . And

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that goes back to the circle process

01:01:45.700 --> 01:01:47.922
for the remedial investigation . Before

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any work can be started , we have to

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have a comprehensive work plan

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completed and then approved by the EPA .

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And so we are currently going through

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that process . Um getting the draft has

01:02:02.300 --> 01:02:05.990
been reviewed and is by the Air Force

01:02:05.990 --> 01:02:08.810
and is under review , uh , further .

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So , as I said , September 20th or

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September of 21 is the final

01:02:16.540 --> 01:02:20.120
estimated time for it to be completed .

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But we are trying our best to push that

01:02:22.710 --> 01:02:26.010
for faster if we can , so we could get

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out in the field even sooner . Mhm .

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Yeah ,

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Mr . Kincaid , we have another question

01:02:39.890 --> 01:02:43.070
from Sean Duggan , Um , or Dugan ,

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Officer of Senator Martin Heinrich .

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He says , curious about any

01:02:48.756 --> 01:02:50.920
communication or direction you've had

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with the new administration , if any .

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Whether that be from the office of the

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secretary of the Air Force , OSD or

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other agencies like E P A . F T A or

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Agriculture .

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Mhm . Uh ,

01:03:08.580 --> 01:03:12.170
this is what I'm just from Chris Kirky

01:03:12.170 --> 01:03:14.226
on my side . I have not . But Mark ,

01:03:14.226 --> 01:03:16.281
I'll let you take that if you've had

01:03:16.281 --> 01:03:19.200
anything else . Well , I I think it's

01:03:19.200 --> 01:03:21.533
important to note that the program , uh ,

01:03:21.533 --> 01:03:24.550
the environmental program in the

01:03:24.560 --> 01:03:27.390
response to people's people a policy is

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established by , uh , the secretary of

01:03:31.180 --> 01:03:33.940
the Air Force's Office . So it's a

01:03:33.950 --> 01:03:36.320
continuum of communication . There are

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people in chains of command who have

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been there for a while , and they're

01:03:41.356 --> 01:03:43.356
well versed in these projects , and

01:03:43.356 --> 01:03:45.411
they're continuing to update the new

01:03:45.411 --> 01:03:47.633
administration of what's going on . And

01:03:47.633 --> 01:03:49.967
also , it's worth noting that last year ,

01:03:49.967 --> 01:03:52.022
or maybe it was a little longer than

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that D o d stood up a task force to

01:03:54.590 --> 01:03:56.646
address pathos and people A and they

01:03:56.646 --> 01:03:58.868
are much more actively involved in it .

01:03:58.868 --> 01:04:00.923
They created . They brought together

01:04:00.923 --> 01:04:02.979
more comprehensive approach and more

01:04:02.979 --> 01:04:05.146
standardized approach . So I would say

01:04:05.146 --> 01:04:08.380
that from Chris's office all the way up

01:04:08.390 --> 01:04:11.770
to the Secretary of Defense , this

01:04:11.770 --> 01:04:15.020
issue is is understood and they're

01:04:15.020 --> 01:04:17.020
searching for answers . And they're

01:04:17.020 --> 01:04:18.910
working with their other federal

01:04:18.910 --> 01:04:22.470
partners to find solutions to some of

01:04:22.470 --> 01:04:24.414
the very tough questions that this

01:04:24.414 --> 01:04:26.530
community is asking and to address

01:04:26.530 --> 01:04:28.980
those very important concerns that you

01:04:28.980 --> 01:04:32.160
have . Yeah , everybody .

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Yeah . I mean , this is Sean here , and

01:04:35.270 --> 01:04:37.381
I appreciate it and thank you all for

01:04:37.381 --> 01:04:39.103
your time . You know , we were

01:04:39.103 --> 01:04:41.270
definitely paying very close attention

01:04:41.270 --> 01:04:43.492
to this . And as you know , some of the

01:04:43.492 --> 01:04:45.714
sponsors and supporters of the sections

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of the , uh F Y . 20 Bill 3 43

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3 . 44 3 . 45 That

01:04:53.220 --> 01:04:55.220
that you all are responding to . We

01:04:55.220 --> 01:04:57.780
find those obviously as permissive

01:04:57.780 --> 01:05:00.940
language but not directive language .

01:05:00.950 --> 01:05:04.160
And unfortunately , we experienced some

01:05:04.160 --> 01:05:05.827
push back during the previous

01:05:05.827 --> 01:05:08.260
administration and from our colleagues

01:05:08.260 --> 01:05:10.880
on on the other side of the aisle to be

01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:14.330
more direct and to be more directive on

01:05:14.330 --> 01:05:17.860
that language . So I guess I'm my My

01:05:17.860 --> 01:05:20.040
question was whether or not there was

01:05:20.050 --> 01:05:22.570
more appetite from this new

01:05:22.570 --> 01:05:25.220
administration in the early early times ,

01:05:25.220 --> 01:05:28.880
the only two months to to be more Hey ,

01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:30.880
you've been given this a permissive

01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:33.440
authority from Congress . Let's act on

01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:35.718
it and it sounds like the answer is no .

01:05:35.718 --> 01:05:36.718
Is that correct ?

01:05:43.590 --> 01:05:46.600
Chris ? You the well , it

01:05:47.590 --> 01:05:49.701
I believe what you're referring to is

01:05:49.701 --> 01:05:52.490
the India , and that goes back to We

01:05:52.490 --> 01:05:54.434
are still waiting on the Office of

01:05:54.434 --> 01:05:56.740
Secretary of Defense to provide us with

01:05:56.750 --> 01:05:59.860
implementation guidance . So , uh , we

01:05:59.860 --> 01:06:01.971
can only implement what guidance that

01:06:01.971 --> 01:06:03.971
we have . And they're the ones that

01:06:03.971 --> 01:06:06.610
provide us with that time and again ,

01:06:06.620 --> 01:06:10.120
uh , the back in September , the office

01:06:10.120 --> 01:06:11.953
secretary of defense , Assistant

01:06:11.953 --> 01:06:14.176
Secretary , a defense for sustainment ,

01:06:14.176 --> 01:06:16.398
did issue some guidance on implementing

01:06:16.398 --> 01:06:20.280
Section 3 44 and also section 3

01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:23.710
40 uh , three of the N D A .

01:06:24.180 --> 01:06:27.060
And and and in that question , to

01:06:27.060 --> 01:06:29.530
answer a fact sheet that Mark and Kate

01:06:29.530 --> 01:06:31.586
referred to as it's going to be made

01:06:31.586 --> 01:06:33.641
available . It lays out some of that

01:06:33.641 --> 01:06:35.086
criteria that the D O . D

01:06:35.086 --> 01:06:38.660
implementation has given the services

01:06:38.660 --> 01:06:41.090
guidance , son . Okay , this is how

01:06:41.580 --> 01:06:44.040
this is going to be done . And there's

01:06:44.050 --> 01:06:46.970
criteria that needs to be met . And if

01:06:46.970 --> 01:06:50.180
the criteria is met , uh , then the

01:06:50.180 --> 01:06:53.790
service has to notify and get , uh ,

01:06:54.280 --> 01:06:56.530
approval from D o D before they go out

01:06:56.530 --> 01:07:00.010
and actually either provide filtration

01:07:00.010 --> 01:07:02.900
for the agricultural use water or or

01:07:02.900 --> 01:07:06.090
purchase uh , land adjacent to the

01:07:06.100 --> 01:07:09.800
or adjacent to a military installation

01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:12.880
under the India aid provision . So

01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:14.713
there has been some implementing

01:07:14.713 --> 01:07:18.670
guidance . Um um and

01:07:18.680 --> 01:07:22.250
we have to carry when the

01:07:22.250 --> 01:07:24.417
criterias make and package will be put

01:07:24.417 --> 01:07:28.350
together to , um mhm have d o d

01:07:28.350 --> 01:07:30.980
considerate and approving or not

01:07:30.990 --> 01:07:33.046
approving . But , um , there is some

01:07:33.046 --> 01:07:35.157
implementing guidance , not on all of

01:07:35.157 --> 01:07:37.434
the sections of the N d . A . But on 3 .

01:07:37.434 --> 01:07:40.400
43 3 44 there has been some guidance .

01:07:41.180 --> 01:07:43.347
Yeah , I understand . And I definitely

01:07:43.347 --> 01:07:45.347
understand that you all are working

01:07:45.347 --> 01:07:47.624
within the guidelines of of , you know ,

01:07:47.624 --> 01:07:49.680
the parameters that you have to work

01:07:49.680 --> 01:07:49.290
with . And , uh , you know , I think

01:07:49.290 --> 01:07:51.346
most of the folks on the on the call

01:07:51.346 --> 01:07:53.401
have reviewed the guidance and , you

01:07:53.401 --> 01:07:56.900
know , perhaps viewed as a big couched

01:07:56.910 --> 01:07:59.310
in , you know , well , if the FDA

01:07:59.310 --> 01:08:01.750
doesn't consider it a toxic substance

01:08:01.750 --> 01:08:03.583
or if the FDA , you know , e p a

01:08:03.583 --> 01:08:05.806
doesn't consider it , I think there's a

01:08:05.806 --> 01:08:07.583
lot of stipulations within that

01:08:07.583 --> 01:08:10.630
guidance that enables in action . And ,

01:08:10.640 --> 01:08:12.696
you know , just from a congressional

01:08:12.696 --> 01:08:15.029
standpoint , you know , we are pursuing ,

01:08:15.029 --> 01:08:17.580
uh , you know , cooperation with the

01:08:17.590 --> 01:08:19.146
incoming administer the new

01:08:19.146 --> 01:08:22.470
administration to understand the the

01:08:22.470 --> 01:08:24.692
realm of the possible to move forward .

01:08:24.692 --> 01:08:26.526
So I guess it was just a broader

01:08:26.526 --> 01:08:28.637
question on whether or not you've had

01:08:28.637 --> 01:08:30.748
other than regular communication with

01:08:30.748 --> 01:08:33.081
the new administration . It sounds like ,

01:08:33.081 --> 01:08:35.370
you know , regular ongoing , yes , but

01:08:35.370 --> 01:08:37.890
not any new guidance . So I appreciate

01:08:37.890 --> 01:08:40.180
the clarification and look forward to

01:08:40.180 --> 01:08:41.180
working with the

01:08:44.970 --> 01:08:47.026
Thank you for the question , Misty .

01:08:47.026 --> 01:08:49.750
How are we looking on question , Mr .

01:08:49.750 --> 01:08:52.230
Kincaid , this is avocado . We we have

01:08:52.230 --> 01:08:54.174
one more from art stop of Highland

01:08:54.174 --> 01:08:56.260
Dairy . Um , he is referencing

01:08:56.270 --> 01:08:59.090
contamination of farm wells being parts

01:08:59.090 --> 01:09:00.868
per trillion . 15,000 parts per

01:09:00.868 --> 01:09:03.034
trillion . Excuse me . Um , and he was

01:09:03.034 --> 01:09:05.201
asking about supplied filters , or why

01:09:05.201 --> 01:09:07.090
have filters not been supplied to

01:09:07.090 --> 01:09:09.312
spread to stop the spread of P . Boss ,

01:09:15.870 --> 01:09:18.500
That goes back to , you know , we just

01:09:18.510 --> 01:09:20.900
that goes back to the NBA provision

01:09:20.900 --> 01:09:24.650
because the focus up until the

01:09:24.650 --> 01:09:28.600
India , uh , sections that have been

01:09:28.610 --> 01:09:31.050
promulgated was drinking water . And

01:09:31.050 --> 01:09:33.272
now now there's discretionary authority

01:09:33.272 --> 01:09:36.320
to address agricultural water , and

01:09:36.330 --> 01:09:39.630
that criteria has to be met before the

01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:43.370
Air Force can do that . Um , one of

01:09:43.370 --> 01:09:47.200
those criteria , as Mr you can

01:09:47.200 --> 01:09:51.120
just reference was , um , you know ,

01:09:51.120 --> 01:09:55.010
has the U S . Uh huh . Uh , FDA

01:09:55.010 --> 01:09:57.690
issued standards for , um ,

01:09:58.570 --> 01:10:01.570
P force levels in , uh , raw

01:10:01.570 --> 01:10:04.510
commodities and food commodities and ,

01:10:04.520 --> 01:10:07.830
uh , milk another at different

01:10:07.830 --> 01:10:10.100
criteria . It's either meeting one or

01:10:10.100 --> 01:10:12.980
the other is is assessment of risk ,

01:10:12.990 --> 01:10:15.420
which is what we're doing . We'll be

01:10:15.420 --> 01:10:18.780
doing , uh , as we continue down in a

01:10:18.780 --> 01:10:19.891
circle of process .

01:10:27.660 --> 01:10:30.660
So to briefly answer Mr Scott's

01:10:30.670 --> 01:10:32.940
question , the filters haven't been in

01:10:32.940 --> 01:10:35.150
place because we don't have the

01:10:35.150 --> 01:10:37.240
authority to do that yet . There's

01:10:37.340 --> 01:10:40.190
criteria that has to be met before we

01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:44.470
are can consider doing that ?

01:10:54.860 --> 01:10:57.960
I note that , Mr . Shop , I think has a

01:10:57.970 --> 01:11:00.940
follow on to that . John . Let me see

01:11:00.940 --> 01:11:03.920
if I can find it here . Says people

01:11:03.920 --> 01:11:05.920
drink milk . Why can you not supply

01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:09.790
filters for ag water ? The cow water .

01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:18.093
Well , I think I'd answer that question .

01:11:20.460 --> 01:11:21.380
All right .

01:11:24.460 --> 01:11:28.250
Okay . Um , folks , it is seven .

01:11:28.250 --> 01:11:31.960
Very sorry . It's 6 15 year time . So

01:11:31.970 --> 01:11:34.480
are there other questions

01:11:35.860 --> 01:11:36.580
or common ?

01:11:43.260 --> 01:11:45.427
Mr . Kincaid , at this point in time ,

01:11:45.427 --> 01:11:47.260
it doesn't appear to be any more

01:11:47.260 --> 01:11:50.480
questions . Okay , So , Chris , did you

01:11:50.480 --> 01:11:54.060
have any closing comments ? Yeah .

01:11:54.460 --> 01:11:56.210
Just to say that Thank you for

01:11:56.210 --> 01:11:59.140
everyone's participation and joining

01:11:59.140 --> 01:12:01.251
this meeting . And we definitely look

01:12:01.251 --> 01:12:03.362
forward to all the future meetings to

01:12:03.362 --> 01:12:06.430
come and again as we gather more

01:12:06.430 --> 01:12:08.152
information will be sharing it

01:12:08.152 --> 01:12:10.263
throughout these and working with the

01:12:10.263 --> 01:12:12.486
whole government and trying to bring in

01:12:12.486 --> 01:12:15.000
other agencies to get questions

01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:17.770
answered that you may have so thank you

01:12:17.770 --> 01:12:21.400
again . And we appreciate it . My ask

01:12:21.400 --> 01:12:23.880
one quick follow up question . Just

01:12:24.250 --> 01:12:27.940
It's real simple . You say that

01:12:27.950 --> 01:12:31.380
the , uh , you had discretionary

01:12:31.750 --> 01:12:35.040
authority for agriculture , and it

01:12:35.040 --> 01:12:37.850
needs to be process through the circle .

01:12:37.860 --> 01:12:39.193
Is that what you said ?

01:12:41.950 --> 01:12:45.840
Um um they're

01:12:45.850 --> 01:12:48.530
the India provision . Authorizes the

01:12:48.530 --> 01:12:50.760
service to you . Gives them the

01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:52.871
discretion . Doesn't direct that they

01:12:52.871 --> 01:12:54.982
have to do this . That gives them the

01:12:55.350 --> 01:12:58.670
the discretion to use operation and

01:12:58.670 --> 01:13:02.610
maintenance funds . Um , uh , to

01:13:02.620 --> 01:13:05.560
to address agricultural use water . And

01:13:05.560 --> 01:13:07.616
then ? And then there's , you know ,

01:13:07.616 --> 01:13:09.560
parameters that must be met before

01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:12.600
that's done . It doesn't say you must

01:13:12.600 --> 01:13:14.960
do this . It says you may . And then

01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:17.182
there's and then offices . Secretary of

01:13:17.182 --> 01:13:19.680
Defense has issued implementation gains

01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:23.270
on and how to , uh , you know ,

01:13:23.950 --> 01:13:26.580
what does that mean ? How do we , uh ,

01:13:27.050 --> 01:13:30.050
how do we go about , um , addressing

01:13:30.050 --> 01:13:33.980
agricultural use water ? Oh ,

01:13:34.450 --> 01:13:35.506
Okay . Thank you .

01:13:40.050 --> 01:13:43.570
All right with that , then we will wind

01:13:43.570 --> 01:13:45.570
this down . Folks , I would like to

01:13:45.570 --> 01:13:47.681
remind you that this information will

01:13:47.681 --> 01:13:49.970
be available in the canon website and

01:13:49.970 --> 01:13:52.026
again also on the aft deck website .

01:13:52.026 --> 01:13:54.081
You will find more information about

01:13:54.081 --> 01:13:56.081
what the air Force is doing for PFS

01:13:56.081 --> 01:13:58.414
people and some of these questions , uh ,

01:13:58.414 --> 01:14:00.581
there will be in the f a . Q s on both

01:14:00.581 --> 01:14:03.110
of those sites , but also the one of

01:14:03.110 --> 01:14:05.054
the great values of these meetings

01:14:05.054 --> 01:14:07.740
which we plan to hold quarterly is that

01:14:07.750 --> 01:14:09.806
not only do we get an opportunity to

01:14:09.806 --> 01:14:11.750
give you information based on what

01:14:11.750 --> 01:14:13.694
we're at in this project and where

01:14:13.694 --> 01:14:15.639
we're going , but also to find out

01:14:15.639 --> 01:14:17.472
those issues that are critically

01:14:17.472 --> 01:14:19.361
important to you ? I believe that

01:14:19.361 --> 01:14:19.190
tonight has been eye opening . We've

01:14:19.190 --> 01:14:22.140
taken away some good information and we

01:14:22.140 --> 01:14:24.480
will continue to dig into these answers

01:14:24.480 --> 01:14:26.480
for you . So they will give you the

01:14:26.480 --> 01:14:28.702
complete answers that you need that you

01:14:28.702 --> 01:14:31.670
want . I encourage you to look on

01:14:31.670 --> 01:14:35.090
the Power Point presentation for the

01:14:35.090 --> 01:14:37.580
contact references on there and use

01:14:37.580 --> 01:14:39.802
those . If you have any other questions

01:14:39.802 --> 01:14:41.910
for us , we'll be glad to respond to

01:14:41.910 --> 01:14:44.290
you offline . You can call or email .

01:14:44.300 --> 01:14:47.060
We're happy to talk to you at any time .

01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:51.380
So with that , on behalf of the Cannon

01:14:51.380 --> 01:14:54.450
teen and the Air Force Civil Engineer

01:14:54.450 --> 01:14:56.970
Center team and a f i M s c . Thank you

01:14:56.970 --> 01:14:59.560
for your time and we will see you in

01:14:59.560 --> 01:15:01.370
about three months . I appreciate it .